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Show HN: Clips.live – Live video clips of every NBA play

42 points by gsundeep 7y ago

gsundeep 7y ago
Hey HN - we built Clips.live since we wanted to share clips of NBA plays as soon as they happen. Before this, you had to make these clips yourself or wait until someone manually made them in order to share them. Eventually, we want to record and index every play of every live sports game.
- saradhi 7y ago
  Did you invest in time to check if you are free to publish clips, especially with "clips.live" as a watermark. I once did the same in another sport, cricket, back in 2013, ended up killing it because of a cricket board and its broadcasting violations note over an email.
  - sanchitg94 7y ago
    Copying from one of my responses to the same concern: "Highlights / clips are probably less of a concern, but definitely still a concern. Adam Silver has said "The way we look at it: we’re incredibly protective of our live game rights, but for the most part, highlights are marketing" https://www.sporttechie.com/adam-silver-against-suing-nba-hi.. https://www.sporttechie.com/adam-silver-against-suing-nba-hi.... We also think that NBA itself, ESPN, and BleacherReport can benefit from this technology. There are a lot of potential use cases we think that can be unlocked with this. Right now we're going the consumer route first where they can see live clips, but we can see ourselves potentially working with one of the bigger players if they see value in this.
  - thescribbblr 7y ago
    Did same got an email from ICC and BCCI respectively to shut down the website.
    - saradhi 7y ago
      Unsure why ICC was involved in your case. Mine was pretty much with BCCI and Sony, (the channel which owned broadcasting rights of IPL at that time). They pretty much had a very neat clause, which I should have taken a note upfront, nevertheless, the experience gained confidence in me to build applications. :)
- intellijdd 7y ago
  Hey small UI feedback, placing the scores under the appropriate teams would make it easier to know which is which. At the moment, the score is on the left side of the screen so difficult to tell.
  - bredren 7y ago
    Also, I think the clips should be in reverse order. Start of the game to the end of the game as you scroll. Maybe have a jump to the end link.
    - sunnyg9494 7y ago
      We think during a game seeing the latest play is more important because that's more likely the one you want to share, but a jump to the end link makes a lot of sense, especially for post game like now. Thanks for the feedback!
  - sunnyg9494 7y ago
    Great feedback, makes complete sense.
Aperocky 7y ago
Some clips are not accurate. First one I clicked on, Mavericks vs Rockets, Russel Westbrook scores layup with 121-126. It was presumably right after he did it and there was just Mavericks imbounding the ball and dribbling it.
- sanchitg94 7y ago
  Thanks for calling this out.. we are definitely still perfecting it. We have a few that have timing issues, but we think 90%+ of the videos we post are accurate.
ralph84 7y ago
In the US your only defense for using someone else's copyrighted broadcast is fair use. Making clips of every play of every game is highly unlikely to be considered fair use.
- sanchitg94 7y ago
  Copying from one of my responses to the same concern: "Highlights / clips are probably less of a concern, but definitely still a concern. Adam Silver has said "The way we look at it: we’re incredibly protective of our live game rights, but for the most part, highlights are marketing" https://www.sporttechie.com/adam-silver-against-suing-nba-highlights-youtube/ https://www.sporttechie.com/adam-silver-against-suing-nba-hi... We also think that NBA itself, ESPN, and BleacherReport can benefit from this technology. There are a lot of potential use cases we think that can be unlocked with this. Right now we're going the consumer route first where they can see live clips, but we can see ourselves potentially working with one of the bigger players if they see value in this.
  - psaux 7y ago
    This technology is not new, dating back to 2000. It was kicked out of the NFL as they used it to review plays at half.
    - gsundeep 7y ago
      Do you have any info about what it's called or how it's used? I'm surprised ESPN doesn't have a clickable video link for their play by play for example. NBA has it for league pass holders, but they also don't offer it in real time, which to me defeats the purpose. I want to see and share a video of something that just happened, not only forced by having to wait until after someone else covered it in a highlight.
ra5 7y ago
As a huge basketball fan I think this is great. As a US citizen roughly familiar with the NBA and how they come after platforms that use their content in ways that they don’t condone (e.g., /r/nbastreams, RIP), I don’t see this lasting very long.
- tehlike 7y ago
  Webtorrent is taking off, there will be no way to prevent this realistically.
- sanchitg94 7y ago
  /r/nbastreams is an extreme because that directly affects league pass sales. Highlights / clips are probably less of a concern, but definitely still a concern. Adam Silver has said "The way we look at it: we’re incredibly protective of our live game rights, but for the most part, highlights are marketing" https://www.sporttechie.com/adam-silver-against-suing-nba-highlights-youtube/ https://www.sporttechie.com/adam-silver-against-suing-nba-hi... We also think that NBA itself, ESPN, and BleacherReport can benefit from this technology. There are a lot of potential use cases we think that can be unlocked with this. Right now we're going the consumer route first where they can see live clips, but we can see ourselves potentially working with one of the bigger players if they see value in this.
  - mirthflat83 7y ago
    Making clips of every play does not really seem to fit their definition of highlights
    - sanchitg94 7y ago
      Yeah you're right, we really just think if NBA sees this they may want to leverage this technology themselves since it can help them hopefully do a lot more, rather than just banning us completely.
    - ta999999171 7y ago
      The 30 best behind the back left-handed passes?! I'm stayin!
neilkakkar 7y ago
This is cool. What's the source data you use to generate clips?

42 points by gsundeep 7y ago

Hey HN - we built Clips.live since we wanted to share clips of NBA plays as soon as they happen. Before this, you had to make these clips yourself or wait until someone manually made them in order to share them. Eventually, we want to record and index every play of every live sports game.

saradhi 7y ago
Did you invest in time to check if you are free to publish clips, especially with "clips.live" as a watermark. I once did the same in another sport, cricket, back in 2013, ended up killing it because of a cricket board and its broadcasting violations note over an email.
- sanchitg94 7y ago
  Copying from one of my responses to the same concern: "Highlights / clips are probably less of a concern, but definitely still a concern. Adam Silver has said "The way we look at it: we’re incredibly protective of our live game rights, but for the most part, highlights are marketing" https://www.sporttechie.com/adam-silver-against-suing-nba-hi.. https://www.sporttechie.com/adam-silver-against-suing-nba-hi.... We also think that NBA itself, ESPN, and BleacherReport can benefit from this technology. There are a lot of potential use cases we think that can be unlocked with this. Right now we're going the consumer route first where they can see live clips, but we can see ourselves potentially working with one of the bigger players if they see value in this.
- thescribbblr 7y ago
  Did same got an email from ICC and BCCI respectively to shut down the website.
  - saradhi 7y ago
    Unsure why ICC was involved in your case. Mine was pretty much with BCCI and Sony, (the channel which owned broadcasting rights of IPL at that time). They pretty much had a very neat clause, which I should have taken a note upfront, nevertheless, the experience gained confidence in me to build applications. :)
intellijdd 7y ago
Hey small UI feedback, placing the scores under the appropriate teams would make it easier to know which is which. At the moment, the score is on the left side of the screen so difficult to tell.
- bredren 7y ago
  Also, I think the clips should be in reverse order. Start of the game to the end of the game as you scroll. Maybe have a jump to the end link.
  - sunnyg9494 7y ago
    We think during a game seeing the latest play is more important because that's more likely the one you want to share, but a jump to the end link makes a lot of sense, especially for post game like now. Thanks for the feedback!
- sunnyg9494 7y ago
  Great feedback, makes complete sense.

Aperocky 7y ago

Some clips are not accurate. First one I clicked on, Mavericks vs Rockets, Russel Westbrook scores layup with 121-126. It was presumably right after he did it and there was just Mavericks imbounding the ball and dribbling it.

sanchitg94 7y ago
Thanks for calling this out.. we are definitely still perfecting it. We have a few that have timing issues, but we think 90%+ of the videos we post are accurate.

ralph84 7y ago

In the US your only defense for using someone else's copyrighted broadcast is fair use. Making clips of every play of every game is highly unlikely to be considered fair use.

sanchitg94 7y ago
Copying from one of my responses to the same concern: "Highlights / clips are probably less of a concern, but definitely still a concern. Adam Silver has said "The way we look at it: we’re incredibly protective of our live game rights, but for the most part, highlights are marketing" https://www.sporttechie.com/adam-silver-against-suing-nba-highlights-youtube/ https://www.sporttechie.com/adam-silver-against-suing-nba-hi... We also think that NBA itself, ESPN, and BleacherReport can benefit from this technology. There are a lot of potential use cases we think that can be unlocked with this. Right now we're going the consumer route first where they can see live clips, but we can see ourselves potentially working with one of the bigger players if they see value in this.
- psaux 7y ago
  This technology is not new, dating back to 2000. It was kicked out of the NFL as they used it to review plays at half.
  - gsundeep 7y ago
    Do you have any info about what it's called or how it's used? I'm surprised ESPN doesn't have a clickable video link for their play by play for example. NBA has it for league pass holders, but they also don't offer it in real time, which to me defeats the purpose. I want to see and share a video of something that just happened, not only forced by having to wait until after someone else covered it in a highlight.

ra5 7y ago

As a huge basketball fan I think this is great. As a US citizen roughly familiar with the NBA and how they come after platforms that use their content in ways that they don’t condone (e.g., /r/nbastreams, RIP), I don’t see this lasting very long.

tehlike 7y ago
Webtorrent is taking off, there will be no way to prevent this realistically.
sanchitg94 7y ago
/r/nbastreams is an extreme because that directly affects league pass sales. Highlights / clips are probably less of a concern, but definitely still a concern. Adam Silver has said "The way we look at it: we’re incredibly protective of our live game rights, but for the most part, highlights are marketing" https://www.sporttechie.com/adam-silver-against-suing-nba-highlights-youtube/ https://www.sporttechie.com/adam-silver-against-suing-nba-hi... We also think that NBA itself, ESPN, and BleacherReport can benefit from this technology. There are a lot of potential use cases we think that can be unlocked with this. Right now we're going the consumer route first where they can see live clips, but we can see ourselves potentially working with one of the bigger players if they see value in this.
- mirthflat83 7y ago
  Making clips of every play does not really seem to fit their definition of highlights
  - sanchitg94 7y ago
    Yeah you're right, we really just think if NBA sees this they may want to leverage this technology themselves since it can help them hopefully do a lot more, rather than just banning us completely.
  - ta999999171 7y ago
    The 30 best behind the back left-handed passes?! I'm stayin!

neilkakkar 7y ago

This is cool. What's the source data you use to generate clips?