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> nobody’s brain will hold a candle to AI Nobody can outrun a car, either, but cars haven’t made humans obsolete. Instead, we use them as tools to accomplish

> nobody’s brain will hold a candle to AI Nobody can outrun a car, either, but cars haven’t made humans obsolete. Instead, we use them as tools to accomplish our goals: just as we will with AI.

Proziam 7y ago
I'm very undecided about AI, but this argument doesn't feel right to me. The ability to run fast was never the 'unfair advantage' of being human. Cars are a tool to help us overcome physical limitations. But what happens if a general AI is capable of outdoing us intellectually? I'm not of the opinion that AI will just decide to destroy us all or anything particularly extreme. Still, I find it very hard to believe that humans could actually 'control' entities that are smarter than we are. Anyone making high-confidence predictions about how that would play is worthy of some skepticism, I believe.
- Aperocky 7y ago
  While AI topic today is all fearmongering essentially, I agree with you that we can’t actually or should actually control something that’s smarter and more advanced than us. I’ll give the wheel to them, like how I trust my doctor to know what’s best for my body. They might not be the best for me but could be better for the Earth Civilization.
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vegetablepotpie 7y ago
But cars have made horses obsolete. Although horses aren’t extinct, owning one is more of a hobby in the western world. AI is cognitive automation. Not only will blue collar jobs be replaced, but so to will white collar jobs as well. We’re approaching the point where capital alone (without labor) will be able to generate wealth in more general cases. When that happens, employing people will be a hobby. When that happens, humans will need other ways to make income than with their labor.
- dantheman 7y ago
  Deal with it when it happens. How much time was spent worrying about what would happen when energy was too cheap too meter? It didn't happen. It's easy to come up with problems to worry about that don't actually exist.
Aperocky 7y ago
We haven’t even made baby steps with AI yet. All electronics as of today have 0 cognitive ability because they are all deterministic in nature. That’s right, exactly 0 cognition.
- inimino 7y ago
  This is ridiculous. Essentially all modern machines have access to sources of "true" randomness, and determinism is certainly not what is holding back advances in AI.
  - Aperocky 7y ago
    It is not, all of the machine learning software existing do not truly implement randomness at all. Just because such exist doesn’t mean much. You had single celled organism since 3.5B year ago, does it infer AI to you?

> nobody’s brain will hold a candle to AI Nobody can outrun a car, either, but cars haven’t made humans obsolete. Instead, we use them as tools to accomplish our goals: just as we will with AI.

Proziam 7y ago

I'm very undecided about AI, but this argument doesn't feel right to me. The ability to run fast was never the 'unfair advantage' of being human. Cars are a tool to help us overcome physical limitations. But what happens if a general AI is capable of outdoing us intellectually? I'm not of the opinion that AI will just decide to destroy us all or anything particularly extreme. Still, I find it very hard to believe that humans could actually 'control' entities that are smarter than we are. Anyone making high-confidence predictions about how that would play is worthy of some skepticism, I believe.

Aperocky 7y ago
While AI topic today is all fearmongering essentially, I agree with you that we can’t actually or should actually control something that’s smarter and more advanced than us. I’ll give the wheel to them, like how I trust my doctor to know what’s best for my body. They might not be the best for me but could be better for the Earth Civilization.

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vegetablepotpie 7y ago

But cars have made horses obsolete. Although horses aren’t extinct, owning one is more of a hobby in the western world. AI is cognitive automation. Not only will blue collar jobs be replaced, but so to will white collar jobs as well. We’re approaching the point where capital alone (without labor) will be able to generate wealth in more general cases. When that happens, employing people will be a hobby. When that happens, humans will need other ways to make income than with their labor.

dantheman 7y ago
Deal with it when it happens. How much time was spent worrying about what would happen when energy was too cheap too meter? It didn't happen. It's easy to come up with problems to worry about that don't actually exist.

Aperocky 7y ago

We haven’t even made baby steps with AI yet. All electronics as of today have 0 cognitive ability because they are all deterministic in nature. That’s right, exactly 0 cognition.

inimino 7y ago
This is ridiculous. Essentially all modern machines have access to sources of "true" randomness, and determinism is certainly not what is holding back advances in AI.
- Aperocky 7y ago
  It is not, all of the machine learning software existing do not truly implement randomness at all. Just because such exist doesn’t mean much. You had single celled organism since 3.5B year ago, does it infer AI to you?