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The Democratic Party is driving a wedge between itself, FWIW. The talking points around political correctness could not be better designed to alienate working a

The Democratic Party is driving a wedge between itself, FWIW. The talking points around political correctness could not be better designed to alienate working and middle class white people.

rayiner 7y ago
Or middle class people of any race: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/05/trump-latino-poll-066187 https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/05/trump-latino-poll-0... > But according the Telemundo poll, nearly two-thirds of Latinos said they wouldn't vote for a candidate who describes himself as a “socialist.” Sanders identifies as a democratic socialist.
- gbear605 7y ago
  I’m not sure what that has to do with political correctness, seeing as how socialism is a political theory about economics, not about politically correct language.
  - rayiner 7y ago
    I’m talking about OP’s point about the Democratic Party driving a wedge within itself.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  On the other hand: https://www.npr.org/2019/12/20/790319860/polls-show-sanders-is-the-top-democratic-presidential-candidate-for-latino-voter https://www.npr.org/2019/12/20/790319860/polls-show-sanders-... Abstract preference questions often don't predict preference for specific candidates, because they don't capture subtleties in the area of preference being polled or how it is weighted against other concerns.
analog31 7y ago
I've never heard a fellow Democrat use the term "political correctness" to advocate a policy. This could be another fabricated wedge.
- crdoconnor 7y ago
  Racists don't use the term racist to describe what they do either. Language policing is still big in dem circles.
  - wwweston 7y ago
    Language policing is big in every human circle where people realize language has impacts, whether it's a religion that has prohibitions on the name of God, a disgust-sensitive subculture that finds some words too vulgar, or a political culture that insists the United States is "A republic, not a democracy." And when you zoom in on specific linguistic struggles, you often find that it's less a matter of one side being the police and the other being the anarchists, or cerebral philosophers accurately reckoning with the hazard of losing some ideas in a wide-ranging territory of thoughtful discourse, and more two sides with competing values they understand are promoted or eroded with certain language. For example, there's no "freedom" side in the fight over "Merry Christmas" vs "Happy Holidays" (however much inflated), just two forms of "policing" with different implicit values. Sometimes, of course, you do find topics where one side of a struggle is much more about restraint and the other side is struggling against restraint itself. See, for example, people who are upset that they can't tell racist jokes anymore without someone getting offended.
- rayiner 7y ago
  That’s an indicator of being in a bubble: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majo... > Whites are ever so slightly less likely than average to believe that political correctness is a problem in the country: 79 percent of them share this sentiment. Instead, it is Asians (82 percent), Hispanics (87 percent), and American Indians (88 percent) who are most likely to oppose political correctness > Progressive activists are the only group that strongly backs political correctness: Only 30 percent see it as a problem. > So what does this group look like? Compared with the rest of the (nationally representative) polling sample, progressive activists are much more likely to be rich, highly educated—and white. They are nearly twice as likely as the average to make more than $100,000 a year. They are nearly three times as likely to have a postgraduate degree. And while 12 percent of the overall sample in the study is African American, only 3 percent of progressive activists are. With the exception of the small tribe of devoted conservatives, progressive activists are the most racially homogeneous group in the country. (I should caveat this by saying I’m in the apparently 18% of Asians who doesn’t think political correctness is a problem. But there is a huge class/education divide.)
jayd16 7y ago
>The talking points around political correctness could not be better designed to alienate working and middle class white people. As a middle class white, I ask "such as?"
- toasterlovin 7y ago
  Pretending that there are no negative consequences to allowing men who believe they are women into female-only spaces. Or pretending that the incredible success of East and South Asians in the US doesn’t basically completely torpedo the notion that racism is a significant barrier to the success of poorly performing ethnic groups.
- mixmastamyk 7y ago
  I recently read something about how all folks should define their pronouns since a small minority prefers unexpected ones. A person generally supportive of it was calling out a hardline faction.
- humanrebar 7y ago
  Recent headlines? Latinx, drag queens as family friendly content, overreach on dilution and removal of gendering (no more daddy/daughter events), politicizing sports, politicizing popcorn movies, censorship of standup comedians, social media bans, student loan forgiveness pitches. Anything that looks like a bailout to the rich and upper middle class, including for homeowners.
  - jayd16 7y ago
    With the exception of maybe loan forgiveness, none of those are party or candidate talking points. The rest are social issues and mostly gender issues so I don't really understand what middle class or white hat has to do with it. Was that just code for social conservatives?
    - toasterlovin 7y ago
      Who do you think the social conservatives are? Because they’re certainly not the highly educated, urban whites who make half of the white Democrat constituency. Then you might argue that this has nothing to do with whites, specifically, but as the article’s author notes, probably the only reason that this hasn’t completely alienated black and Latino voters is because they’re already used to being alienated and don’t see the republicans as a viable alternative. But whites don’t have the same things tying them to the democrats. FWIW, I think there’s a good chance the republicans will start figuring out to flip Latino and Asian voters by appealing to social conservatism.
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The Democratic Party is driving a wedge between itself, FWIW. The talking points around political correctness could not be better designed to alienate working and middle class white people.

rayiner 7y ago

Or middle class people of any race: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/05/trump-latino-poll-066187 https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/05/trump-latino-poll-0... > But according the Telemundo poll, nearly two-thirds of Latinos said they wouldn't vote for a candidate who describes himself as a “socialist.” Sanders identifies as a democratic socialist.

gbear605 7y ago
I’m not sure what that has to do with political correctness, seeing as how socialism is a political theory about economics, not about politically correct language.
- rayiner 7y ago
  I’m talking about OP’s point about the Democratic Party driving a wedge within itself.
dragonwriter 7y ago
On the other hand: https://www.npr.org/2019/12/20/790319860/polls-show-sanders-is-the-top-democratic-presidential-candidate-for-latino-voter https://www.npr.org/2019/12/20/790319860/polls-show-sanders-... Abstract preference questions often don't predict preference for specific candidates, because they don't capture subtleties in the area of preference being polled or how it is weighted against other concerns.

analog31 7y ago

I've never heard a fellow Democrat use the term "political correctness" to advocate a policy. This could be another fabricated wedge.

crdoconnor 7y ago
Racists don't use the term racist to describe what they do either. Language policing is still big in dem circles.
- wwweston 7y ago
  Language policing is big in every human circle where people realize language has impacts, whether it's a religion that has prohibitions on the name of God, a disgust-sensitive subculture that finds some words too vulgar, or a political culture that insists the United States is "A republic, not a democracy." And when you zoom in on specific linguistic struggles, you often find that it's less a matter of one side being the police and the other being the anarchists, or cerebral philosophers accurately reckoning with the hazard of losing some ideas in a wide-ranging territory of thoughtful discourse, and more two sides with competing values they understand are promoted or eroded with certain language. For example, there's no "freedom" side in the fight over "Merry Christmas" vs "Happy Holidays" (however much inflated), just two forms of "policing" with different implicit values. Sometimes, of course, you do find topics where one side of a struggle is much more about restraint and the other side is struggling against restraint itself. See, for example, people who are upset that they can't tell racist jokes anymore without someone getting offended.
rayiner 7y ago
That’s an indicator of being in a bubble: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majo... > Whites are ever so slightly less likely than average to believe that political correctness is a problem in the country: 79 percent of them share this sentiment. Instead, it is Asians (82 percent), Hispanics (87 percent), and American Indians (88 percent) who are most likely to oppose political correctness > Progressive activists are the only group that strongly backs political correctness: Only 30 percent see it as a problem. > So what does this group look like? Compared with the rest of the (nationally representative) polling sample, progressive activists are much more likely to be rich, highly educated—and white. They are nearly twice as likely as the average to make more than $100,000 a year. They are nearly three times as likely to have a postgraduate degree. And while 12 percent of the overall sample in the study is African American, only 3 percent of progressive activists are. With the exception of the small tribe of devoted conservatives, progressive activists are the most racially homogeneous group in the country. (I should caveat this by saying I’m in the apparently 18% of Asians who doesn’t think political correctness is a problem. But there is a huge class/education divide.)

jayd16 7y ago

>The talking points around political correctness could not be better designed to alienate working and middle class white people. As a middle class white, I ask "such as?"

toasterlovin 7y ago
Pretending that there are no negative consequences to allowing men who believe they are women into female-only spaces. Or pretending that the incredible success of East and South Asians in the US doesn’t basically completely torpedo the notion that racism is a significant barrier to the success of poorly performing ethnic groups.
mixmastamyk 7y ago
I recently read something about how all folks should define their pronouns since a small minority prefers unexpected ones. A person generally supportive of it was calling out a hardline faction.
humanrebar 7y ago
Recent headlines? Latinx, drag queens as family friendly content, overreach on dilution and removal of gendering (no more daddy/daughter events), politicizing sports, politicizing popcorn movies, censorship of standup comedians, social media bans, student loan forgiveness pitches. Anything that looks like a bailout to the rich and upper middle class, including for homeowners.
- jayd16 7y ago
  With the exception of maybe loan forgiveness, none of those are party or candidate talking points. The rest are social issues and mostly gender issues so I don't really understand what middle class or white hat has to do with it. Was that just code for social conservatives?
  - toasterlovin 7y ago
    Who do you think the social conservatives are? Because they’re certainly not the highly educated, urban whites who make half of the white Democrat constituency. Then you might argue that this has nothing to do with whites, specifically, but as the article’s author notes, probably the only reason that this hasn’t completely alienated black and Latino voters is because they’re already used to being alienated and don’t see the republicans as a viable alternative. But whites don’t have the same things tying them to the democrats. FWIW, I think there’s a good chance the republicans will start figuring out to flip Latino and Asian voters by appealing to social conservatism.

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