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What about banning them for philosophical principles? Why would I buy anything from someone who denies Enlightenment principles and views human rights as “West

What about banning them for philosophical principles? Why would I buy anything from someone who denies Enlightenment principles and views human rights as “Western rights”? On a long enough timeline, authoritarianism always wins.

sand_castles 7y ago
Bro, America was founded as a slave state, and "human rights" only applied to white landowners. Calm down with rationalization based on ideological purity. If you do not want to buy Chinese stuff you are more than welcome ! but don't be surprised when Iphones cost 10,000 dollars. PS : While you are at it, could you also share some of that "human rights" with illegal migrants making your food please ?
- nyolfen 7y ago
  damn, i guess this humans rights thing is just a sham after all. lets go round up some uyghurs, boys.
- ksml 7y ago
  I feel like this is some slippery slope logic. Just because human rights violations exist elsewhere doesn't mean we should ignore human rights violations in one place.
  - sand_castles 7y ago
    If you care so much about human rights, you are free to issue american passports to all the people you think are victims ? Last 2 time the americans cared about "human rights" they killed half a million iraqis, and turned a wealthy african country ( libya ) into a failed state. So I am not sure the Chinese or anybody else is going to welcome your imposition of "human rights".
- CamperBob2 7y ago
  False equivalence and moral relativism aren't the answers here. In the US, we're at least trying to do better.
  - sand_castles 7y ago
    On what metric is the US trying ? Last time I checked the chinese state lifted the largest number of people out of poverty in human history. Deal with your own problems and stop lecturing other sovereign states what they can do and not do.
    - CamperBob2 7y ago
      LOL, yeah, lifting them out of poverty and putting them back down behind barbed wire. Go sell this stuff elsewhere. Nobody's buying it here, and it's not the place for political flamefests in any event.
      - sand_castles 7y ago
        Amendment XIII Section 1 : Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted , shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_St...
        teknologist 7y ago
        How is this at all relevant to the discussion?
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codedokode 7y ago
You might not like China's internal policy but US foreign policy is not nice too.
- typicalhn 7y ago
  Related- a friend of mine was joking (and it will offend supporters of both major political parties)- the democrats want to align with Pakistan and Iran, two biggest sponsors of terror after American military.
  - rimliu 7y ago
    Where does that leave SA?

sand_castles 7y ago

Bro, America was founded as a slave state, and "human rights" only applied to white landowners. Calm down with rationalization based on ideological purity. If you do not want to buy Chinese stuff you are more than welcome ! but don't be surprised when Iphones cost 10,000 dollars. PS : While you are at it, could you also share some of that "human rights" with illegal migrants making your food please ?

nyolfen 7y ago
damn, i guess this humans rights thing is just a sham after all. lets go round up some uyghurs, boys.
ksml 7y ago
I feel like this is some slippery slope logic. Just because human rights violations exist elsewhere doesn't mean we should ignore human rights violations in one place.
- sand_castles 7y ago
  If you care so much about human rights, you are free to issue american passports to all the people you think are victims ? Last 2 time the americans cared about "human rights" they killed half a million iraqis, and turned a wealthy african country ( libya ) into a failed state. So I am not sure the Chinese or anybody else is going to welcome your imposition of "human rights".
CamperBob2 7y ago
False equivalence and moral relativism aren't the answers here. In the US, we're at least trying to do better.
- sand_castles 7y ago
  On what metric is the US trying ? Last time I checked the chinese state lifted the largest number of people out of poverty in human history. Deal with your own problems and stop lecturing other sovereign states what they can do and not do.
  - CamperBob2 7y ago
    LOL, yeah, lifting them out of poverty and putting them back down behind barbed wire. Go sell this stuff elsewhere. Nobody's buying it here, and it's not the place for political flamefests in any event.
    - sand_castles 7y ago
      Amendment XIII Section 1 : Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted , shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_St...
      - teknologist 7y ago
        How is this at all relevant to the discussion?
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codedokode 7y ago

You might not like China's internal policy but US foreign policy is not nice too.

typicalhn 7y ago
Related- a friend of mine was joking (and it will offend supporters of both major political parties)- the democrats want to align with Pakistan and Iran, two biggest sponsors of terror after American military.
- rimliu 7y ago
  Where does that leave SA?