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On a related note, I declined a job interview when a company wanted to do the interview process via HireVue. Has the Orwellian telescreen feel. The process in
by appleiigs 7y ago
On a related note, I declined a job interview when a company wanted to do the interview process via HireVue. Has the Orwellian telescreen feel. The process includes candidate recording interview responses and uploading them for AI to evaluate. HR must not realize that as part of the interview, candidates are also evaluating whether the company is a good place to work at.
- ianai 7y agoOh, HR does and laughs at the thought. But we live in a political system where corporations have seemingly unalienable rights above their workers. “Want to afford things? Then succumb to the dictates of corporate America or else.” All the while, these same corporations benefit from unprecedented federal deficit spending at the cost of the individual citizens.
- sneak 7y agoAs long as there are other places to work, we can and should avail ourselves of them.
- ianai 7y agoThere are entire industries insulated enough for illegal HR practices to prevail. “Other places to work” line of reasoning is tone deaf and functionally abusive.
- sneak 7y agoI’m not sure how privately holding the opinion “anyone who can choose non-abusive employers should choose them over abusive ones” is itself “functionally abusive”. Freedom of association is a powerful tool.
- SAI_Peregrinus 7y agoThe problem is that it gets advocated as "anyone can choose non-abusive employers over abusive ones", which is simply false.
- acdha 7y agoIt’s abusive when it’s used as it was here to imply that it’s the worker’s fault for accepting bad working conditions, as if there aren’t many well documented reasons why that’s hard for most people.
- sneak 7y agohttps://sneak.berlin/20191201/american-communication/ https://sneak.berlin/20191201/american-communication/ I made no such implication. You appear to be reading something I simply did not say.
- acdha 7y agoThen what was the point of replying to a comment about bad working conditions to say people should switch jobs? The entire discussion was about how it’s getting harder to avoid certain practices. Do you really think most people with bad working environments haven’t considered the option?
- n4r9 7y agoIt's fine and dandy for people in tech but if you're a single parent with a narrow set of skills who's struggling and been applying for jobs for over a month then you're going to take the offer. And then you're not going to have much time to continue job searching.
- guntars 7y agoWho’s responsible for you being a single parent with limited skills? The corporation?
- falcolas 7y agoThey made a bad decision in the heat of passion, and didn't have a safety net to let them stand back up? Fuck'em. Who wants those kinds of people in our society? </angry sarcasm> To be slightly less angry and sarcastic - such a person has typically fallen through the cracks, and is vulnerable to being shoved into a "hold multiple jobs so you can afford your basic needs" position. Yes, we should be protecting these kinds of people. Having to work more than 40 hours a week to meet your basic needs is barbaric; it reflects poorly on us as a society.
- grecy 7y agoThe better questions is do you want to help your neighbours and people in your community who are in such a situation, or do you just say "It's your problem" and turn a blind eye. What kind of world do you want to live in? Keep in mind you're only one serious medial disaster (massive car crash, cancer, etc.) away from bankruptcy, so it would be extremely quick for the tables to turn. Do some reading into people who were steadfastly against universal healthcare until they had a major medical emergency in their family. It's funny how people need a very personal experience of being on the s--t end of the stick before they want to change how the stick works.
- sneak 7y agoI’m thinking that the best way to help those sorts of people is, when the opportunity exists for one, to choose employers that don’t abuse their potential staff. Not everyone has that choice, of course, but those that do should take it and do everything else possible to disadvantage such abusive organizations. That’s how I choose to help. If everyone with a skilled trade adopts that sort of approach and suggests that others do the same, these kinds of places will eventually go away and their abusive practices with them.
- grecy 7y ago> HR must not realize that as part of the interview, candidates are also evaluating whether the company is a good place to work at. In many fields outside software people with no healthcare, student debt, a mortgage and car payments are screwed. As long as the system keeps the people down, they won't have a choice but to take that job, no matter the Orwellian nature
- cheez 7y agoIt's so easy to stay out of this. Keep up your health and don't take on debt. Gives you a lot of freedom. https://sivers.org/richand https://sivers.org/richand
- acdha 7y agoYes, lucky people have more flexibility. The problem is that very few people avoid getting sick or hurt[1], having kids, needing loans, getting laid off, etc. and a healthy society should work for more than 10% of the population. 1. “Keep your health” up is obviously naive to start with but also ask how many people are, say, hurt in car crashes or on the job every year and how cruel your advice would sound to them.
- cheez 7y agoDo 80% of people get into car crashes or hurt on the job every year? No? Then my advice can apply to 80% of the people.
- danogentili 7y agoTry repeating this assertion after getting into a car crash yourself
- cheez 7y agoI've been in one, had a finger chopped off and been in a coma :-)
- dudul 7y agoI've also laughed at companies trying to pull this thing, but I also realize that this is a huge privilege. There is really only in tech that the tables are somewhat flipped, and applicants can afford to give HR bullies the middle finger.
- mcphage 7y agoThen we should wherever appropriate.
- BurningFrog 7y agoThe US has record low unemployment. There are many fields outside tech where workers can be picky about jobs.
- acdha 7y agoThose numbers aren’t really telling you the full story: unemployment is relatively low but pay scales have lagged far behind — someone whose corporation gets rid of them after they turn 50[1] and ends up working as an Uber driver is technically still employed but in reality they have very limited ability to negotiate pay or working conditions. 1. I was recently talking with an older relative who had multiple friends experience things like being reassigned to offices which required much longer commutes when they were starting to approach retirement age, despite no change in their work or at the business at the location they’d worked for the previous 2-3 decades. Said relative was very happy to have a union which prevents abuse like that.
- grecy 7y agoYes, and millions of people working multiple jobs are considered to be living below the poverty line. America is the only developed country that has the class of "working class poor" More crap jobs is not a good thing, and nobody should want that.
- smegma2 7y ago> America is the only developed country that has the class of "working class poor" I'd be interested in seeing a source on this, if you have it
- syshum 7y agoI have met more than a few HR and Exec;s with the attitude of "they should be lucky they even have a job"
- rapnie 7y agoI wonder if we already have products where the AI does the entire first-stage candidate selection based on detailed data profiles on those who've applied, and HR only receives the CV's of people that passed the AI filter.