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Not sure about the accuracy. France says locals hostile at 33% while Russia only has locals hostile at 17% and locals hostile at 0% in Singapore...Oh and locals
by sersi 7y ago
Not sure about the accuracy. France says locals hostile at 33% while Russia only has locals hostile at 17% and locals hostile at 0% in Singapore...Oh and locals hostile at 17% in Saudi Arabia!!!
I'd say those numbers are totally wrong. This is the kind of project where hacking a quick solution together could lead to bad consequences so care should be taken with the numbers you give.
I wonder if this is because of how you convert to percentages? I haven't looked yet at the data in spartacus.
Also it is true that there's a difference between gay tourists who are less likely to be bothered in certain religious countries compared to residents.
- 1hakr 7y agoI got this data from Spartacus. All these numbers are based on data from them https://spartacus.gayguide.travel/blog/spartacus-gay-travel-index/ https://spartacus.gayguide.travel/blog/spartacus-gay-travel-...
- JshWright 7y agoDo you mention they anywhere on your site?
- keanzu 7y agoYes, he does. It is on the RHS on the "LGBT+ Travel Rankings of the world" page (linked in OP). "This ranking is based on 14 different paramters like civil rights, discrimation and persecution by Spartacus LGBT+ Travel."
- JshWright 7y agoOh, yep I guess it is there. Seems like it could be a little more prominent, since this is basically just their dataset, with some filtering and ads (and a more confusing representation of the score).
- keanzu 7y ago> Oh, yep I guess it is there. Yes, but it wasn't obvious to me. I only spotted it after careful reading AND knowing the data source was Spartacus. Anyone unfamiliar with that outlet probably wouldn't pick up on the connection. Given the HEAVY reliance on their data I agree that more prominence and a link would be nice.
- tehwebguy 7y agoUse a different data source? Shouldn’t have Saudi listed as anything other than “Do not travel” or you are giving people dangerously bad info!
- keanzu 7y agoThe source data [1] shows Saudi Arabia as -2 on a scale of 0 to -2 for locals hostile. They also note "Some of the most dangerous countries for LGBT travelers in 2019 include again Saudi Arabia, Iran, Somalia and the Chechen Republic in Russia, where homosexuals are widely persecuted and threatened with death." [2] so maybe there's a second source being used or there's a data conversion issue. [1] https://spartacus.gayguide.travel/gaytravelindex-2019.pdf https://spartacus.gayguide.travel/gaytravelindex-2019.pdf [2] https://spartacus.gayguide.travel/blog/gay-travel-index-2019/ https://spartacus.gayguide.travel/blog/gay-travel-index-2019...
- 1hakr 7y agoYes the discrimination and persecution and negative scores in percentages with colors as orange and red.
- catblast 7y agoCome again? This is pretty much word salad. In the source data, Saudi Arabia is scored as a -2 for locals hostile and France only -1. The percentage is 17% and 33%, respectively. Why is this? The conversion to percentages doesn't make any sense.
- keanzu 7y agoIf the score range were -3 to 3: -3 0% -2 17% -1 33% 0 50% 1 67% 2 83% 3 100% But I suspect the real range is 0, -1, -2 and would make more sense inverted. Canada 0%, France 50%, Saudi 100%. "The strength of the religious influence and general homophobia in society will be assessed with up to -2 points, since the quality of life you can massively restrict homosexual." https://spartacus.gayguide.travel/gaytravelindex_2017.pdf https://spartacus.gayguide.travel/gaytravelindex_2017.pdf
- 1hakr 7y agoThanks for the feedback. I will fix it based on your suggestions.
- reitzensteinm 7y agoYeah, move fast and break things works great with novelty pens, not so much with smoke detectors. OP, if you're not going to take the quality of information very seriously, you should probably pivot to something a bit less hazardous.
- 1hakr 7y agoThanks for the suggestion. I built it as there was no such tool to look up any countries gay travel laws.
- lawlorino 7y agoThat doesn't address their criticism though. Many people here have pointed out these mistakes on your site. Do you not see that it is actively dangerous to present wrong information like this?
- learnstats2 7y agoHere ya go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_terr...