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In Switzerland a man was manhandled by police and then fined for saying "Allahu akbar" in public. https://www.theweek.co.uk/98878/swiss-muslim-fined-178-for-sa

by harryh 7y ago

In Switzerland a man was manhandled by police and then fined for saying "Allahu akbar" in public. https://www.theweek.co.uk/98878/swiss-muslim-fined-178-for-saying-allahu-akbar https://www.theweek.co.uk/98878/swiss-muslim-fined-178-for-s... Elsewhere a European Court of Human Rights rules that defaming the Prophet Muhammed “goes beyond the permissible limits of an objective debate" and "could stir up prejudice" and thus exceeds permissible limits of freedom of expression. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/defaming-prophet-muhammed-not-free-expression-echr/1292823 https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/defaming-prophet-muhammed-no... I love posting these together because of their contradictory nature. We're obviously not talking about a dictatorship here, but claiming that free speech rights in Europe are just fine is clearly wrong.

paulmd 7y ago
And the fact that the US has stronger speech rights doesn't keep the police from manhandling minorities and throwing the book at them either. These things are uncorrelated. Except for the part where one society has nazis marching in its streets and one doesn't (specifically, recalling Charlottesville).
- tptacek 7y ago
  They don't throw the book at them for saying "Allahu akbar", because they can't.
  - paulmd 7y ago
    No, the police book them for "resisting arrest" as they "dent the squad car" as they get pushed into it or whatever. They just start kicking them senseless because of the "allahu ackbar". That's not what actually goes on the ticket. That's why we've had to institute body cam laws. Cops are gonna find a way to abuse the disadvantaged. False charges, physical abuse, all of the above. But I guess if only the cops had more free speech this wouldn't have happened, right?
    - tptacek 7y ago
      If you don't have something substantive to say, why bother commenting at all? Like, obviously, the point 'harryh is making is well taken, and is not somehow rebutted by other abuses in the US. Both things are bad, and can be addressed independently.
      - paulmd 7y ago
        > If you don't have something substantive to say, why bother commenting at all? If you dismiss my argument as unsubstantive, that's on you. Just because you find it disagreeable doesn't make it unsubstantive. Feel free to rebut it. Of course the charge is not 'yelling allahu ackbar'. That would be illegal if cops did that. They know better, they can come up with better charges.
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by harryh 7y ago

paulmd 7y ago

And the fact that the US has stronger speech rights doesn't keep the police from manhandling minorities and throwing the book at them either. These things are uncorrelated. Except for the part where one society has nazis marching in its streets and one doesn't (specifically, recalling Charlottesville).

tptacek 7y ago
They don't throw the book at them for saying "Allahu akbar", because they can't.
- paulmd 7y ago
  No, the police book them for "resisting arrest" as they "dent the squad car" as they get pushed into it or whatever. They just start kicking them senseless because of the "allahu ackbar". That's not what actually goes on the ticket. That's why we've had to institute body cam laws. Cops are gonna find a way to abuse the disadvantaged. False charges, physical abuse, all of the above. But I guess if only the cops had more free speech this wouldn't have happened, right?
  - tptacek 7y ago
    If you don't have something substantive to say, why bother commenting at all? Like, obviously, the point 'harryh is making is well taken, and is not somehow rebutted by other abuses in the US. Both things are bad, and can be addressed independently.
    - paulmd 7y ago
      > If you don't have something substantive to say, why bother commenting at all? If you dismiss my argument as unsubstantive, that's on you. Just because you find it disagreeable doesn't make it unsubstantive. Feel free to rebut it. Of course the charge is not 'yelling allahu ackbar'. That would be illegal if cops did that. They know better, they can come up with better charges.

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