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This is akin to an argument that you shouldn't fire your nazi-sympathizing coworker when they discuss their support for an ethnonationalist state because they m
by potatoz2 7y ago
This is akin to an argument that you shouldn't fire your nazi-sympathizing coworker when they discuss their support for an ethnonationalist state because they may join neo-nazi groups and "radicalize" as a result.
Yes, they may. But while they do the workplace where most people interact is a livable place for the rest of us. We shouldn't make it easier to be heard if you have despicable views just because of the implied threat it might get worse.
- eanzenberg 7y agoYes, and for truly horrendous viewpoints it's ok to ban them outright. But society isn't black and white, and when you start lumping non-extremists into the same bucket and banning them all you end up where we are today: distrust of MSM but a big chunk of society.
- ceres 7y agoYou keep talking about "non-extremists" but you are not telling us what you mean by that.
- eanzenberg 7y agoI don't want to get political, but do you think Joe Rogan is an extremist? Jeanine Cummins? What about Ben Shapiro? These are people that the MSM is trying to cancel quite literally right now.
- jessaustin 7y agoHaha the idea that incumbent news firms can do anything to Rogan is kind of hilarious. What are they going to do, shut down the internet and UFC? Close all the comedy clubs? He is completely insulated from anything they can do.
- potatoz2 7y ago"cancel" doesn't really mean anything here. I don't think Joe Rogan or Ben Shapiro should get fired from the average workplace (I'm not familiar with Jeanine Cummins) unless they insist on trying to impose their views. I don't think they should be banned from presumably neutral platforms (reddit, Facebook, Twitter). On the other hand, I don't think they should be given a column in other media publications and they're more than fair game for ridicule and criticism. I don't think they have a moral right to publish in any subgroup within ostensibly neutral platforms (Facebook group, subreddit).
- sagichmal 7y agoNobody is trying to cancel Joe Rogan. I don't know who Jeanine Cummins is. Ben Shapiro is definitely an extremist.
- CapricornNoble 7y ago>>>Nobody is trying to cancel Joe Rogan. Oh I bet the Woke Twitterati (tm) would if they could, but Joe Rogan is in the same stratosphere as Ricky Gervais and Dave Chappelle where they are effectively impervious to cancellation barring some Harvey Weinstein/Bill Cosby-level misconduct. https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/joe-rogan-cancel-culture-smears/ https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/joe-rogan-cancel-culture-sme... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvAc7002eRM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvAc7002eRM
- im3w1l 7y agoThere are many ethno-nationalist states around. It's a fairly normal thing to want for many peoples.
- potatoz2 7y agoWe can disagree about the wisdom of ethno-nationalist states in general (in my opinion they lead to deciding that some group is a different ethnicity and using that to justify their ouster, see Myanmar, China or recent Indian laws). Either way advocating for an ethno-nationalist state in the U.S. is akin to supporting the forced removal of at least a third of the population, which is a despicable view to have.
- kerkeslager 7y agoA workplace is pretty different from a public communications platform. Surely you can tell the difference between talking about odious opinions on the internet, and making decisions as a representative of a company based on those odious opinions.