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they can leave a message, which shows up almost immediately

by mmhsieh 7y ago

ebg13 7y ago
Checking voicemails actually takes longer and involves more steps than answering calls.
- noirbot 7y ago
  Sure, but in my experience, most robo-calls don't actually leave messages. I maybe get a message every week or two, but I'll have multiple spam calls per day that are sent to my voicemail. It's also not immediate. I can check my voicemail later when I have time, instead of having to pick up whenever I'm spammed. That's even before I might have a service/feature where it will try to transcribe the voicemail, which often makes it very easy to tell that it's spam.
  - mmhsieh 7y ago
    a tweak would be to the phone OS to ping alerts on new VMs immediately. perhaps VMs user-flagged as spam can be templates for autoblocking such VMs for other users.
- deleted 7y ago
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- dredmorbius 7y ago
  But has far fewer false positives. Especially with a workflow.
- mmhsieh 7y ago
  a possible solution is that hospitals and police might have escalated dial-in privileges where they cause the phone to ring, irrespective of user-set conditions. so long as these privileges cannot be spoofed, this might take care of what is an important corner case. i myself would rather get a call than deal with a VM in a true emergency.
- lightedman 7y ago
  >swipe down notification bar >tap voicemail ribbon Two touches versus one. Sooooooooooooooo many extra steps, lemme tell ya.
  - mmhsieh 7y ago
    perhaps such emergency VMs can be allowed special tagging by the OS to remove all doubt i am all in favor of 100% true positives on blocking all spammers and getting all real emergency calls through
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      This is feasible if first responders and medical offices use SIP/VOIP providers who support SHAKEN/STIR. https://www.zdnet.com/article/at-t-comcast-successfully-test-shakenstir-protocol-for-fighting-robocalls/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/at-t-comcast-successfully-test... https://transnexus.com/whitepapers/understanding-stir-shaken/ https://transnexus.com/whitepapers/understanding-stir-shaken...
  - ebg13 7y ago
    And then it needs to dial in. And then you need to listen to the message anyway. You could have just picked up for less time and effort. That is unless you're willing to pay for transcription service.
    - lightedman 7y ago
      "You could have just picked up for less time and effort." Or I could be driving, and refuse to touch my phone like an informed and rational and unassuming human being.
      - ebg13 7y ago
        Not answering the phone while driving is entirely unrelated to not answering the phone because you think it might be spam.

they can leave a message, which shows up almost immediately

ebg13 7y ago

Checking voicemails actually takes longer and involves more steps than answering calls.

noirbot 7y ago
Sure, but in my experience, most robo-calls don't actually leave messages. I maybe get a message every week or two, but I'll have multiple spam calls per day that are sent to my voicemail. It's also not immediate. I can check my voicemail later when I have time, instead of having to pick up whenever I'm spammed. That's even before I might have a service/feature where it will try to transcribe the voicemail, which often makes it very easy to tell that it's spam.
- mmhsieh 7y ago
  a tweak would be to the phone OS to ping alerts on new VMs immediately. perhaps VMs user-flagged as spam can be templates for autoblocking such VMs for other users.
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dredmorbius 7y ago
But has far fewer false positives. Especially with a workflow.
mmhsieh 7y ago
a possible solution is that hospitals and police might have escalated dial-in privileges where they cause the phone to ring, irrespective of user-set conditions. so long as these privileges cannot be spoofed, this might take care of what is an important corner case. i myself would rather get a call than deal with a VM in a true emergency.
lightedman 7y ago
>swipe down notification bar >tap voicemail ribbon Two touches versus one. Sooooooooooooooo many extra steps, lemme tell ya.
- mmhsieh 7y ago
  perhaps such emergency VMs can be allowed special tagging by the OS to remove all doubt i am all in favor of 100% true positives on blocking all spammers and getting all real emergency calls through
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    This is feasible if first responders and medical offices use SIP/VOIP providers who support SHAKEN/STIR. https://www.zdnet.com/article/at-t-comcast-successfully-test-shakenstir-protocol-for-fighting-robocalls/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/at-t-comcast-successfully-test... https://transnexus.com/whitepapers/understanding-stir-shaken/ https://transnexus.com/whitepapers/understanding-stir-shaken...
- ebg13 7y ago
  And then it needs to dial in. And then you need to listen to the message anyway. You could have just picked up for less time and effort. That is unless you're willing to pay for transcription service.
  - lightedman 7y ago
    "You could have just picked up for less time and effort." Or I could be driving, and refuse to touch my phone like an informed and rational and unassuming human being.
    - ebg13 7y ago
      Not answering the phone while driving is entirely unrelated to not answering the phone because you think it might be spam.