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That just means the concept is ahead of its time. People scoff at things they don't understand before that thing takes over the world.

AnimalMuppet 7y ago
But they also scoff at things that never take over the world. So it doesn't actually mean that it's ahead of its time. It could be an overcomplicated mess that you don't actually need, and it could to be that forever.
- crimsonalucard 7y ago
  Except that post says he doesn't understand it. He's scoffing at something he doesn't understand. That is 100% ignorance. This is entirely different from scoffing at something over complicated and that you do understand.
  - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
    I'm not sure where you're getting this. moralestapia never said he didn't understand it. (In fact, in a parallel branch of the comment tree, he said that he did understand it.) He said that if you use category theory on a project, now nobody on your team understands the code. But that "you" probably doesn't mean "if you are on my team and do that, I won't understand it". It probably means more like "if one uses category theory", that is, if you use it on your team, this is the result, if I use it on my team, the same result happens. And if you mean dahart, he said (or at least implied) that he didn't understand geometric algebra, but he didn't say anything about understanding category theory.
    - crimsonalucard 7y ago
      His initial post said the "team" doesn't understand it so I took it to encompass "him" as part of the team. My post is in response to that. Clearly his subsequent post says he does understand CT so I'm in error on that part. Either way the "team" not understanding it, does not preclude it from being right. CT does not overcomplicate things. It just allows you to understand a program differently so you can decompose your program into smaller pieces or take a different path. Saying CT complicates things is like saying number theory complicates numbers. Number theory is numbers and CT looks very much like a good theoretical framework for program organization. In other words CT looks like a formal theory for the design of programs. We aren't at a spot where we can concretely say this, but practitioners of CT and programming are enamored with CT because it looks this way. Overall, his complaints point to a lack of understanding despite his claim.
    - crimsonalucard 7y ago
      My email recorded a more hostile version of your original comment before you edited it. I will post it here: >moralestapia never said he didn't understand it. In fact, in a parallel branch of the comment tree, he said that he did understand it. Your post is at best a misreading of what he said, and at worst a deliberate slander. I don't like comments that accuse me of slander, even as a possibility. I'm going to be frank with you. HN is a big place with thousands of users, I never encounter the same user twice... but you seem to appear regularly out of nowhere and reply to my comments. I may be wrong and that you happen to be just everywhere but your responses seem like you're just hunting me down to reply to me. If you are doing that please stop. Additionally I just don't like you or care for your opinions in general because of the above hostility. So even if you aren't creeping around just to reply to my comments, I'd appreciate it, if the next time you see my name just ignore the comment and move on. My comments are not addressed to you and they have nothing to do with you.
      - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
        Yes, that comment was too hostile, and I apologize. It was not up very long; I thought better of it almost immediately. > ... but you seem to appear regularly out of nowhere and reply to my comments. I may be wrong and that you happen to be just everywhere but your responses seem like you're just hunting me down to reply to me. Bluntly, I notice you most often by seeing a comment that I think is too harsh of a reply to someone else. I don't like it when I see that. (You complained about me doing so to you, with some justice, so you should understand the feeling.) I try to give you the benefit of the doubt, because I have the impression that English is not your first language. But it seems to me that you often interpret peoples' words in a very negative way, which their actual words do not seem to me to deserve. I get annoyed when people do that (not just you). I try to speak up when I see people getting grief that they didn't deserve (again, not just when you're involved). > So even if you aren't creeping around just to reply to my comments, I'd appreciate it, if the next time you see my name just ignore the comment and move on. My comments are not addressed to you and they have nothing to do with you. Post on a public forum, get public replies. If you post here, you don't get to control who can reply and who can't.
        7y ago

AnimalMuppet 7y ago

But they also scoff at things that never take over the world. So it doesn't actually mean that it's ahead of its time. It could be an overcomplicated mess that you don't actually need, and it could to be that forever.

crimsonalucard 7y ago
Except that post says he doesn't understand it. He's scoffing at something he doesn't understand. That is 100% ignorance. This is entirely different from scoffing at something over complicated and that you do understand.
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  I'm not sure where you're getting this. moralestapia never said he didn't understand it. (In fact, in a parallel branch of the comment tree, he said that he did understand it.) He said that if you use category theory on a project, now nobody on your team understands the code. But that "you" probably doesn't mean "if you are on my team and do that, I won't understand it". It probably means more like "if one uses category theory", that is, if you use it on your team, this is the result, if I use it on my team, the same result happens. And if you mean dahart, he said (or at least implied) that he didn't understand geometric algebra, but he didn't say anything about understanding category theory.
  - crimsonalucard 7y ago
    His initial post said the "team" doesn't understand it so I took it to encompass "him" as part of the team. My post is in response to that. Clearly his subsequent post says he does understand CT so I'm in error on that part. Either way the "team" not understanding it, does not preclude it from being right. CT does not overcomplicate things. It just allows you to understand a program differently so you can decompose your program into smaller pieces or take a different path. Saying CT complicates things is like saying number theory complicates numbers. Number theory is numbers and CT looks very much like a good theoretical framework for program organization. In other words CT looks like a formal theory for the design of programs. We aren't at a spot where we can concretely say this, but practitioners of CT and programming are enamored with CT because it looks this way. Overall, his complaints point to a lack of understanding despite his claim.
  - crimsonalucard 7y ago
    My email recorded a more hostile version of your original comment before you edited it. I will post it here: >moralestapia never said he didn't understand it. In fact, in a parallel branch of the comment tree, he said that he did understand it. Your post is at best a misreading of what he said, and at worst a deliberate slander. I don't like comments that accuse me of slander, even as a possibility. I'm going to be frank with you. HN is a big place with thousands of users, I never encounter the same user twice... but you seem to appear regularly out of nowhere and reply to my comments. I may be wrong and that you happen to be just everywhere but your responses seem like you're just hunting me down to reply to me. If you are doing that please stop. Additionally I just don't like you or care for your opinions in general because of the above hostility. So even if you aren't creeping around just to reply to my comments, I'd appreciate it, if the next time you see my name just ignore the comment and move on. My comments are not addressed to you and they have nothing to do with you.
    - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
      Yes, that comment was too hostile, and I apologize. It was not up very long; I thought better of it almost immediately. > ... but you seem to appear regularly out of nowhere and reply to my comments. I may be wrong and that you happen to be just everywhere but your responses seem like you're just hunting me down to reply to me. Bluntly, I notice you most often by seeing a comment that I think is too harsh of a reply to someone else. I don't like it when I see that. (You complained about me doing so to you, with some justice, so you should understand the feeling.) I try to give you the benefit of the doubt, because I have the impression that English is not your first language. But it seems to me that you often interpret peoples' words in a very negative way, which their actual words do not seem to me to deserve. I get annoyed when people do that (not just you). I try to speak up when I see people getting grief that they didn't deserve (again, not just when you're involved). > So even if you aren't creeping around just to reply to my comments, I'd appreciate it, if the next time you see my name just ignore the comment and move on. My comments are not addressed to you and they have nothing to do with you. Post on a public forum, get public replies. If you post here, you don't get to control who can reply and who can't.
      - 7y ago