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I debated against socialism / expanding government in a thread about UBI or something similar. I was told by a mod that my comments were deleted and that they w
by asdf21 7y ago
I debated against socialism / expanding government in a thread about UBI or something similar. I was told by a mod that my comments were deleted and that they were "tedious" and "idealogical flamebait".
When I complained about his moderation by saying this:
>A moderator just a hair left of your current moderation approach on the authoritarianism scale would "flag and remove" PG's entire recent article about income inequality with a note calling it "tedious ideological posturing."
For that comment, my entire six-year account was banned and I was told to email ycombinator to have it restored.
When I emailed to have my account restored, I was told this:
>We're happy to unban accounts when people give us reason to believe that they won't repeat the things that led us to ban them. In your case it's a little less clear what that reason might be, since you've expressed how much you dislike a bunch of things about HN, our moderation, and me. But if there's something we could do to help you have a change of heart about those things, let me know.
So basically, since I complained about his moderation, he took it personally, and only if I was willing to revoke my criticism of his moderation could I be unbanned..? I was never able to get clarification on what exactly needed to happen for me to get unbanned. The gist was, if you argue consistently in favor of free-market approaches to anything economic, you will be accused of "tedious idealogical flamebait" and eventually be banned.
Take it for what it's worth, but I was never what you would call toxic by any standard definition, and those were my results.
- oneplane 7y agoI can't find a recent article on HN containing debates on/against/about/for socialism with banned accounts in them, so it's hard to see the content/context that would then be called toxic, but I do see in your reply that you mention "tedious" and "idealogical flamebait" which is not mutually exclusive to toxic behaviour. I suppose someone could write flamebait or be tedious without being toxic.
- asdf21 7y agoHow would you know? You can't see any of the comments because the mods generally remove them all.. The reason why YC seems more left-leaning nowadays compared to a few years ago, is exactly what the grandparent of this thread suggested, anyone right-leaning (or libertarian) has been harassed off the site / strongly discouraged from sharing their perspectives.
- oneplane 7y agoI wouldn't know in an absolute sense, which is why I wrote "I suppose". To determine if some text could be described as toxic you do have to read it at some point, and without that (if they are deleted as you wrote earlier) it becomes much more theoretical.
- pnako 7y agoI find this hard to believe to be honest. HN is owned by a Silicon Valley venture capital investment firm. If anything they lean liberal/libertarian (which indeed can be a bit woke on social aspects, but certainly not when it comes to capital).
- anigbrowl 7y agoI'm surprised you have been here for 7 years and never looked at the 'showdead' flag in your user preferences.