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And they will. I think the current migration crisis in Europe is nothing compared to when the Sahel will be finally total uninhabitable all those people will mo

And they will. I think the current migration crisis in Europe is nothing compared to when the Sahel will be finally total uninhabitable all those people will move to Europe. And with the current speed of the global warming I don't think it's that far away.

dhruvkar 7y ago
TIL. Sahel = Northern Africa
- baybal2 7y ago
  Sahel = Below Northern Africa
nostromo 7y ago
This seems inevitable at this point. Africa is headed for a population crisis. Places like Somalia and Niger have around 6 or 7 children per woman. These are countries that already import a lot of food to feed rapidly growing populations. If we have another energy shock, it's unclear to me who is going to feed all of these babies.
- 14 7y ago
  This is what I am waiting for, anxiously too I will ad. How long before we see the first heat wave kill a million people? Or drought kill several hundred thousand people in a weeks time. Last year South Africa almost ran out of water. I really think it will only be then that we realize the extent of our dire situation and start really acting. What would our government do if there were 5 million people lined up at the border? Would they shoot them down? I don’t like to fear monger but the world is a rough place. It is also unclear to me how we will handle this as it happens. Edit: right after writing this the very next HN article I come across is massive locust swarms threatening crops in Africa. Scary
itqwertz 7y ago
The burden of responsibility lies with the Africans, whose numbers are artificially inflated due to religious ideology and Western aid. Migrating to Europe will not alleviate the lack of self-sustainability. The same could be said of immigration movements in North and Latin America. Taking advantage of legal loopholes and dubious claims of persecution for asylum does not improve their home countries.
- dang 7y ago
  Please don't post racewar flamebait, or whatever this is, to Hacker News. We're trying not to step into those circles of hell here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Torches71 7y ago
You say that as if you've completely abandoned the prospect of Europe defending herself. It's depressing at times seeing the state of affairs there, sure, but I think you'd be in the small minority of those who are this defeatist. Perhaps these Africans will try to "move" to Europe. That much might be inevitable. But while many Europeans are currently in a state of fuzzy naivety propped up by the dwindling luxuries their ancestors afforded them, I suspect an invasion of that magnitude - and yes, by any rational definition, that's an invasion - will easily meet the threshold for the awakening of their survival instinct and a United defence of whatevers left of their once-great nations.

dhruvkar 7y ago

TIL. Sahel = Northern Africa

baybal2 7y ago
Sahel = Below Northern Africa

nostromo 7y ago

This seems inevitable at this point. Africa is headed for a population crisis. Places like Somalia and Niger have around 6 or 7 children per woman. These are countries that already import a lot of food to feed rapidly growing populations. If we have another energy shock, it's unclear to me who is going to feed all of these babies.

14 7y ago
This is what I am waiting for, anxiously too I will ad. How long before we see the first heat wave kill a million people? Or drought kill several hundred thousand people in a weeks time. Last year South Africa almost ran out of water. I really think it will only be then that we realize the extent of our dire situation and start really acting. What would our government do if there were 5 million people lined up at the border? Would they shoot them down? I don’t like to fear monger but the world is a rough place. It is also unclear to me how we will handle this as it happens. Edit: right after writing this the very next HN article I come across is massive locust swarms threatening crops in Africa. Scary

itqwertz 7y ago

The burden of responsibility lies with the Africans, whose numbers are artificially inflated due to religious ideology and Western aid. Migrating to Europe will not alleviate the lack of self-sustainability. The same could be said of immigration movements in North and Latin America. Taking advantage of legal loopholes and dubious claims of persecution for asylum does not improve their home countries.

dang 7y ago
Please don't post racewar flamebait, or whatever this is, to Hacker News. We're trying not to step into those circles of hell here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Torches71 7y ago

You say that as if you've completely abandoned the prospect of Europe defending herself. It's depressing at times seeing the state of affairs there, sure, but I think you'd be in the small minority of those who are this defeatist. Perhaps these Africans will try to "move" to Europe. That much might be inevitable. But while many Europeans are currently in a state of fuzzy naivety propped up by the dwindling luxuries their ancestors afforded them, I suspect an invasion of that magnitude - and yes, by any rational definition, that's an invasion - will easily meet the threshold for the awakening of their survival instinct and a United defence of whatevers left of their once-great nations.