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A short summary for the people that won't read and just want to comment, UN is not demanding freedom for Assange, they want the human rights to be respected and

A short summary for the people that won't read and just want to comment, UN is not demanding freedom for Assange, they want the human rights to be respected and all the illegalities committed so far by authorities are exposed. I see some people debating if Assange is guilty of X or Y but the main point is that he did not had and will not have a fair trial.

SiempreViernes 7y ago
Well, I'm not sure exactly what you would count as a trial, but Assange has in fact had his voice head (by way of his lawyers) in very many courts. Is it one of these court procedures you claim was unfair?
- ASalazarMX 7y ago
  Read the article, it's explained there. Once you become a prisoner, legal loopholes can allow the state to keep you there forever. Us regular citizens are of no particular interest to the state, hence we can expect a fair trial. If you had, say, the key to a 88 GB insurance file, you would find it much harder to fight the legal system.
- simion314 7y ago
  Read the article, he was ot allowed to defend himself remotely like similar people, his humans rights were abused...there are all the details in the article, I understand it is long buit make soem time this weekend at least and read it, it is not about guilty or not but about human rights and authorities abuse.
  - SiempreViernes 7y ago
    What you are talking about is the question of the interrogation. But it is a matter of public record that Assange has stood in several court cases where he's questioned various aspects of the legality of the EAW, and I'm simply asking if those also are to be counted as unfair trials?
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    - VRay 7y ago
      Sir please just skim over the article Just glance at snippets here and there It's really quite well-written, well-sourced, articulate, and frightening
nsajko 7y ago
> UN is not demanding freedom for Assange, they want This is just a UN employee. > I see some people debating if Assange is guilty of X or Y That is not what we are debating on. Rather I am talking about the claims that the Swedish prosecution and investigation are malicious. > he did not had and will not have a fair trial. Why do you think his trial could not be fair?
- simion314 7y ago
  >This is just a UN employee. Read again, is not a car driver for UN , this is his job and duty to investigate. >Why do you think his trial could not be fair? The article says that and I believe it, do a search for "fair trial" you should find it, let me know if you need a summary because you are too busy to read but honestly read the entire article not skim it. >That is not what we are debating on. Rather I am talking about the claims that the Swedish prosecution and investigation are malicious. I am not sure what comment you are refering but maybe this time the Sweeds will respond to the 50 issues that were raised instead of citizens trying to denfend the authorities illegal activities.
vkou 7y ago
Of course he hasn't had a fair trial, he's been hiding in an embassy for the past decade.
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- simion314 7y ago
  There was no trail for the fabricated rape accusations, read the article, the authorities had the chance to get his statement before he left to UK and there are also procedures for when people are trialed remote that were not flowed, the UN person asked for clarifications for 50 issues found with the investigation and instead of a response the entire thing was dropped a few days over, maybe you skiped this part
  - vkou 7y ago
    > There was no trail for the fabricated rape accusations, Sure. But that's not why he is getting shipped to the US.
clSTophEjUdRanu 7y ago
Can someone explain how Assange's trial is unfair when it hasn't taken place yet?
- abdullahkhalids 7y ago
  > He will not receive a trial consistent with the rule of law. That’s another reason why his extradition shouldn’t be allowed. Assange will receive a trial-by-jury in Alexandria, Virginia – the notorious «Espionage Court» where the U.S. tries all national security cases. The choice of location is not by coincidence, because the jury members must be chosen in proportion to the local population, and 85 percent of Alexandria residents work in the national security community – at the CIA, the NSA, the Defense Department and the State Department. When people are tried for harming national security in front of a jury like that, the verdict is clear from the very beginning. The cases are always tried in front of the same judge behind closed doors and on the strength of classified evidence. Nobody has ever been acquitted there in a case like that. The result being that most defendants reach a settlement, in which they admit to partial guilt so as to receive a milder sentence.
  - ithkuil 7y ago
    That sounds interesting. Can you provide some links to more in-depth information about the use of Alexandria, Virginia and the skewed jury composition? I tried to Google a bit but so far was unable to find much more than just news snippets mentioning a few high profile intelligence related trials that reference said court. Am I just unlucky?
- simion314 7y ago
  Nothing was fair or legal so far, abuses everywhere but you expect that the special US court (see article who is part of that)will be fair in a secret trial. Btw the article mentiones that after the UN person asked clarification on some illegalities on the rape related procedures the investigation was dropped and no response was provided. Also is mentioned that UK is using solitary confinement without any reason, nobody that escaped bail is treated like this but Assange seems not to have human rights in UK.

SiempreViernes 7y ago

Well, I'm not sure exactly what you would count as a trial, but Assange has in fact had his voice head (by way of his lawyers) in very many courts. Is it one of these court procedures you claim was unfair?

ASalazarMX 7y ago
Read the article, it's explained there. Once you become a prisoner, legal loopholes can allow the state to keep you there forever. Us regular citizens are of no particular interest to the state, hence we can expect a fair trial. If you had, say, the key to a 88 GB insurance file, you would find it much harder to fight the legal system.
simion314 7y ago
Read the article, he was ot allowed to defend himself remotely like similar people, his humans rights were abused...there are all the details in the article, I understand it is long buit make soem time this weekend at least and read it, it is not about guilty or not but about human rights and authorities abuse.
- SiempreViernes 7y ago
  What you are talking about is the question of the interrogation. But it is a matter of public record that Assange has stood in several court cases where he's questioned various aspects of the legality of the EAW, and I'm simply asking if those also are to be counted as unfair trials?
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  - VRay 7y ago
    Sir please just skim over the article Just glance at snippets here and there It's really quite well-written, well-sourced, articulate, and frightening

nsajko 7y ago

> UN is not demanding freedom for Assange, they want This is just a UN employee. > I see some people debating if Assange is guilty of X or Y That is not what we are debating on. Rather I am talking about the claims that the Swedish prosecution and investigation are malicious. > he did not had and will not have a fair trial. Why do you think his trial could not be fair?

simion314 7y ago
>This is just a UN employee. Read again, is not a car driver for UN , this is his job and duty to investigate. >Why do you think his trial could not be fair? The article says that and I believe it, do a search for "fair trial" you should find it, let me know if you need a summary because you are too busy to read but honestly read the entire article not skim it. >That is not what we are debating on. Rather I am talking about the claims that the Swedish prosecution and investigation are malicious. I am not sure what comment you are refering but maybe this time the Sweeds will respond to the 50 issues that were raised instead of citizens trying to denfend the authorities illegal activities.

vkou 7y ago

Of course he hasn't had a fair trial, he's been hiding in an embassy for the past decade.

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simion314 7y ago
There was no trail for the fabricated rape accusations, read the article, the authorities had the chance to get his statement before he left to UK and there are also procedures for when people are trialed remote that were not flowed, the UN person asked for clarifications for 50 issues found with the investigation and instead of a response the entire thing was dropped a few days over, maybe you skiped this part
- vkou 7y ago
  > There was no trail for the fabricated rape accusations, Sure. But that's not why he is getting shipped to the US.

clSTophEjUdRanu 7y ago

Can someone explain how Assange's trial is unfair when it hasn't taken place yet?

abdullahkhalids 7y ago
> He will not receive a trial consistent with the rule of law. That’s another reason why his extradition shouldn’t be allowed. Assange will receive a trial-by-jury in Alexandria, Virginia – the notorious «Espionage Court» where the U.S. tries all national security cases. The choice of location is not by coincidence, because the jury members must be chosen in proportion to the local population, and 85 percent of Alexandria residents work in the national security community – at the CIA, the NSA, the Defense Department and the State Department. When people are tried for harming national security in front of a jury like that, the verdict is clear from the very beginning. The cases are always tried in front of the same judge behind closed doors and on the strength of classified evidence. Nobody has ever been acquitted there in a case like that. The result being that most defendants reach a settlement, in which they admit to partial guilt so as to receive a milder sentence.
- ithkuil 7y ago
  That sounds interesting. Can you provide some links to more in-depth information about the use of Alexandria, Virginia and the skewed jury composition? I tried to Google a bit but so far was unable to find much more than just news snippets mentioning a few high profile intelligence related trials that reference said court. Am I just unlucky?
simion314 7y ago
Nothing was fair or legal so far, abuses everywhere but you expect that the special US court (see article who is part of that)will be fair in a secret trial. Btw the article mentiones that after the UN person asked clarification on some illegalities on the rape related procedures the investigation was dropped and no response was provided. Also is mentioned that UK is using solitary confinement without any reason, nobody that escaped bail is treated like this but Assange seems not to have human rights in UK.