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> I don't think they failed to port it - I think they were not invited to do so by the people building the mobile platforms. I don't think they were not invite

by janci 7y ago

> I don't think they failed to port it - I think they were not invited to do so by the people building the mobile platforms. I don't think they were not invited to do so - I think they were not paid for the work or licenses

chrisseaton 7y ago
I'm not really sure what difference you're trying to highlight there. The point is that the people building the platforms didn't want Flash, so they didn't invite Adobe/Macromedia or whoever it was at the time to port them across, and yes since they didn't invite them to do the work they obviously also weren't going to to pay for it. Saying they weren't paid for it makes it sound like they were asked to do it but not paid or something like that. I think the reality is it was never wanted.
- benologist 7y ago
  Didn't invite is a silly way of putting it. Jobs went to war with Flash, and at the time Adobe was making progress integrating iOS as publishing targets, and today it would have been a moot point as iOS hardware is surely powerful enough. Creative Cloud is heading to the iPad Pro and it is a real shame that Flash isn't part of that.
  - chrisseaton 7y ago
    > Jobs went to war with Flash He just ignored it. It was redundant on the iPhone, with native apps and the rise of web applications. Completely ignoring something seems like the opposite of 'going to war' with it.
    - smacktoward 7y ago
      He took the unusual step of publishing a letter, “Thoughts On Flash” (https://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ https://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/), published under his own name, which said that “Flash is no longer necessary to watch video or consume any kind of web content.” That’s going to war.
      - chrisseaton 7y ago
        These seem like dispassionate technical observations to me? His argument is that it’s obsolete. It’s ‘we’re ok without that thanks’ not ‘war’.
        benologist 7y ago
        It wasn't obsolete in the slightest when Jobs published that letter. It was a piece of software worth billions, powering games like Farmville worth billions, powering video like YouTube, advertising, and it had remained a popular creative platform for two decades. There is more information about it here - in addition to Jobs going after Flash so publicly they added an app store rule specifying which languages developers could use to publish apps, and excluded Flash, after Adobe had made substantial progress publishing native iOS apps from Flash. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_and_Adobe_Flash_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_and_Adobe_Flash_controve...
zyx321 7y ago
Apple were (and still are) openly hostile towards any sort of third-party interpreters / runtimes on their platform.

by janci 7y ago

chrisseaton 7y ago

I'm not really sure what difference you're trying to highlight there. The point is that the people building the platforms didn't want Flash, so they didn't invite Adobe/Macromedia or whoever it was at the time to port them across, and yes since they didn't invite them to do the work they obviously also weren't going to to pay for it. Saying they weren't paid for it makes it sound like they were asked to do it but not paid or something like that. I think the reality is it was never wanted.

benologist 7y ago
Didn't invite is a silly way of putting it. Jobs went to war with Flash, and at the time Adobe was making progress integrating iOS as publishing targets, and today it would have been a moot point as iOS hardware is surely powerful enough. Creative Cloud is heading to the iPad Pro and it is a real shame that Flash isn't part of that.
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  > Jobs went to war with Flash He just ignored it. It was redundant on the iPhone, with native apps and the rise of web applications. Completely ignoring something seems like the opposite of 'going to war' with it.
  - smacktoward 7y ago
    He took the unusual step of publishing a letter, “Thoughts On Flash” (https://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ https://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/), published under his own name, which said that “Flash is no longer necessary to watch video or consume any kind of web content.” That’s going to war.
    - chrisseaton 7y ago
      These seem like dispassionate technical observations to me? His argument is that it’s obsolete. It’s ‘we’re ok without that thanks’ not ‘war’.
      - benologist 7y ago
        It wasn't obsolete in the slightest when Jobs published that letter. It was a piece of software worth billions, powering games like Farmville worth billions, powering video like YouTube, advertising, and it had remained a popular creative platform for two decades. There is more information about it here - in addition to Jobs going after Flash so publicly they added an app store rule specifying which languages developers could use to publish apps, and excluded Flash, after Adobe had made substantial progress publishing native iOS apps from Flash. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_and_Adobe_Flash_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_and_Adobe_Flash_controve...

zyx321 7y ago

Apple were (and still are) openly hostile towards any sort of third-party interpreters / runtimes on their platform.