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I'm guessing OP (Right term? I'm new to this!) is referring to immigrants, at least in Europe, typically depending more on the state for assistance and having m

I'm guessing OP (Right term? I'm new to this!) is referring to immigrants, at least in Europe, typically depending more on the state for assistance and having much higher unemployment rates, thus having more immigrants would place a higher burden on public finances. This is from Wikipedia regarding Sweden: 'First generation immigrants, for example, constituted 60% of economic welfare recipients in 2016, 73% of all unemployed and 53% of those serving long prison sentences.'

Krasnol 7y ago
Yeah I get that but this is a general "fix homelessness by giving people a place to live" issue. Immigrants are people too or aren't they? I mean, what changes with them?
- claytongulick 7y ago
  Do you believe that immigration happens in a vacuum? I.e. the reason people immigrate is because they believe that going to location y is better that staying at location x. Providing free housing, medical, school, etc... is a huge incentive. This is why we try to control immigration, we simply don't have the resources to provide a safety net to everyone.
  - Krasnol 7y ago
    It's not like "everyone" is on the move to Finland. Never was and never will be. It's a strawman and unnecessary dramatisation to justify inhuman behaviour. In this case: what do you want to do with them instead? Let them die on the streets? Did you even read the article? They are being provided with some kind of housing and support already like human beings deserve. Giving them a place to live, gives them also a chance to become a proper member of the society who also ads to it and can provide for other homeless. For further reading regarding the "Pull Factors Myth" take this for example: https://www.ecre.org/op-ed-pull-factors-the-myth-that-never-dies/ https://www.ecre.org/op-ed-pull-factors-the-myth-that-never-...

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I'm guessing OP (Right term? I'm new to this!) is referring to immigrants, at least in Europe, typically depending more on the state for assistance and having m

by champagneben 7y ago

Krasnol 7y ago
Yeah I get that but this is a general "fix homelessness by giving people a place to live" issue. Immigrants are people too or aren't they? I mean, what changes with them?
- claytongulick 7y ago
  Do you believe that immigration happens in a vacuum? I.e. the reason people immigrate is because they believe that going to location y is better that staying at location x. Providing free housing, medical, school, etc... is a huge incentive. This is why we try to control immigration, we simply don't have the resources to provide a safety net to everyone.
  - Krasnol 7y ago
    It's not like "everyone" is on the move to Finland. Never was and never will be. It's a strawman and unnecessary dramatisation to justify inhuman behaviour. In this case: what do you want to do with them instead? Let them die on the streets? Did you even read the article? They are being provided with some kind of housing and support already like human beings deserve. Giving them a place to live, gives them also a chance to become a proper member of the society who also ads to it and can provide for other homeless. For further reading regarding the "Pull Factors Myth" take this for example: https://www.ecre.org/op-ed-pull-factors-the-myth-that-never-dies/ https://www.ecre.org/op-ed-pull-factors-the-myth-that-never-...