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Citation? I know a lot of people who use telegram over whatsapp because it's more secure.

mtgx 7y ago
it's not more secure, just perhaps more trustworthy privacy wise. but without e2e encryption even that is doubtful.
eganist 7y ago
I'm not op, but 2016 (corrected from 2019): https://gizmodo.com/why-you-should-stop-using-telegram-right-now-1782557415 https://gizmodo.com/why-you-should-stop-using-telegram-right... 2017: https://courses.csail.mit.edu/6.857/2017/project/19.pdf https://courses.csail.mit.edu/6.857/2017/project/19.pdf 2018: https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/987372998935105539 https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/987372998935105539 2019: https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/08/25/chinese-agencies-crack-telegram-a-timely-warning-for-end-to-end-encryption/#43aed9e96342 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/08/25/chinese-a... 2019: lmao https://twitter.com/durumcrustulum/status/1160347774732423169 https://twitter.com/durumcrustulum/status/116034777473242316... Etc
- rdslw 7y ago
  Gizmodo is 2016. Do not spread false information. p.s. and is based on information which in 2020 is not anymore actual as most things were corrected.
  - eganist 7y ago
    Edited to fix dates and references. Got a citation for this? I'm having a hard time finding it: > p.s. and is based on information which in 2020 is not anymore actual as most things were corrected.
akvadrako 7y ago
Those people haven't done their research. Telegram is marketed as secure but two big issues exist: (1) homegrown encryption which hasn't been extensively audited, which should be considered suspect by default because it's usually broken. (2) Most chats are not encrypted at all.
- rdslw 7y ago
  Not true. You're spreading false and old FUD. ad1: starting from quite a long time, secret chats use MTProto 2.0 which is build on stanard crypto primitives you're seeing everywhere. Read it here high level: https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end and free to verify on github. ad2: this is not true, and is discussion about user choice, not security. please do not spread false old information. world changes.
  - emptysongglass 7y ago
    I'm seeing this guy pushed down when he's totally correct. MTProto 1.0 is dead, 2.0 is built on standard crypto primitives. Chats are in fact encrypted in non-Secret chats, just to the server and not e2e. Please, people, don't contribute to misinformation.
  - akvadrako 7y ago
    First, calling my information FUD is absurd. I wasn't aware of MTProto 2.0 because I don't follow telegram since I think it's a bad choice. Anyway, (1) I don't see any review by cryptographers that MTProto 2.0 is safer. Where is the evidence? (2) Unless this is also a recent change, it is true. It's not about choice really, it's about the default behavior, since most users won't choose.

mtgx 7y ago

it's not more secure, just perhaps more trustworthy privacy wise. but without e2e encryption even that is doubtful.

I'm not op, but 2016 (corrected from 2019): https://gizmodo.com/why-you-should-stop-using-telegram-right-now-1782557415 https://gizmodo.com/why-you-should-stop-using-telegram-right... 2017: https://courses.csail.mit.edu/6.857/2017/project/19.pdf https://courses.csail.mit.edu/6.857/2017/project/19.pdf 2018: https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/987372998935105539 https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/987372998935105539 2019: https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/08/25/chinese-agencies-crack-telegram-a-timely-warning-for-end-to-end-encryption/#43aed9e96342 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/08/25/chinese-a... 2019: lmao https://twitter.com/durumcrustulum/status/1160347774732423169 https://twitter.com/durumcrustulum/status/116034777473242316... Etc

rdslw 7y ago
Gizmodo is 2016. Do not spread false information. p.s. and is based on information which in 2020 is not anymore actual as most things were corrected.
- eganist 7y ago
  Edited to fix dates and references. Got a citation for this? I'm having a hard time finding it: > p.s. and is based on information which in 2020 is not anymore actual as most things were corrected.

akvadrako 7y ago

Those people haven't done their research. Telegram is marketed as secure but two big issues exist: (1) homegrown encryption which hasn't been extensively audited, which should be considered suspect by default because it's usually broken. (2) Most chats are not encrypted at all.

rdslw 7y ago
Not true. You're spreading false and old FUD. ad1: starting from quite a long time, secret chats use MTProto 2.0 which is build on stanard crypto primitives you're seeing everywhere. Read it here high level: https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end and free to verify on github. ad2: this is not true, and is discussion about user choice, not security. please do not spread false old information. world changes.
- emptysongglass 7y ago
  I'm seeing this guy pushed down when he's totally correct. MTProto 1.0 is dead, 2.0 is built on standard crypto primitives. Chats are in fact encrypted in non-Secret chats, just to the server and not e2e. Please, people, don't contribute to misinformation.
- akvadrako 7y ago
  First, calling my information FUD is absurd. I wasn't aware of MTProto 2.0 because I don't follow telegram since I think it's a bad choice. Anyway, (1) I don't see any review by cryptographers that MTProto 2.0 is safer. Where is the evidence? (2) Unless this is also a recent change, it is true. It's not about choice really, it's about the default behavior, since most users won't choose.