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There's also the issue that archives may seemingly be up, but not at all complete. For example, many of the mid-90s posts about Jim Bell's "Assassination Polit

There's also the issue that archives may seemingly be up, but not at all complete. For example, many of the mid-90s posts about Jim Bell's "Assassination Politics" proposal are missing from public archives of the cypherpunks list. The explanation there seems to be proactive evidence destruction that occurred as news about the ongoing federal investigation spread. Also, it seems like some old Usenet stuff has disappeared from Google Groups. There's stuff that I archived years ago that's no longer findable. Anyone else noticed that?

joecool1029 7y ago
>Also, it seems like some old Usenet stuff has disappeared from Google Groups. There's stuff that I archived years ago that's no longer findable. >Anyone else noticed that? Yeah, like everyone who even casually uses usenet realized that Google Groups search has been broken for some years now, somewhere in one of the G+ refactors it broke like 60% of the search and nobody at Google seems to care. Google Groups at this point mostly exists as a frontend for clueless people to stumble on and bump decade old threads that active subscribers often can't even pull. It's honestly worse than the spam problem used to be.
- mirimir 7y ago
  Huh. Thanks. I guess that it's been that many years since I used Usenet. If stuff is really gone, that would suck. Because I've read that Google has the only comprehensive Usenet archive, acquired with Deja News, supposedly going back to 1982.
  - joecool1029 7y ago
    > If stuff is really gone, that would suck. It would. Though it's probably not. It's more likely they have their search tuned not to burn extra cycles looking for archived shit not in RAM like the web archive does. That's my guess at least, there have been HN threads in the past where people run obscure searches and it takes some time for Google to crunch it.
    - mirimir 7y ago
      Thanks. So I wonder if there's a workaround to get deeper search. Maybe I'll dig, and see if I can find how I scraped it.

joecool1029 7y ago

>Also, it seems like some old Usenet stuff has disappeared from Google Groups. There's stuff that I archived years ago that's no longer findable. >Anyone else noticed that? Yeah, like everyone who even casually uses usenet realized that Google Groups search has been broken for some years now, somewhere in one of the G+ refactors it broke like 60% of the search and nobody at Google seems to care. Google Groups at this point mostly exists as a frontend for clueless people to stumble on and bump decade old threads that active subscribers often can't even pull. It's honestly worse than the spam problem used to be.

mirimir 7y ago
Huh. Thanks. I guess that it's been that many years since I used Usenet. If stuff is really gone, that would suck. Because I've read that Google has the only comprehensive Usenet archive, acquired with Deja News, supposedly going back to 1982.
- joecool1029 7y ago
  > If stuff is really gone, that would suck. It would. Though it's probably not. It's more likely they have their search tuned not to burn extra cycles looking for archived shit not in RAM like the web archive does. That's my guess at least, there have been HN threads in the past where people run obscure searches and it takes some time for Google to crunch it.
  - mirimir 7y ago
    Thanks. So I wonder if there's a workaround to get deeper search. Maybe I'll dig, and see if I can find how I scraped it.