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Yes, their commitment to MeeGo being the center piece of their strategy is where I fall off being on the same page as these folks. Phones need strong app ecosy

by dotBen 16y ago

Yes, their commitment to MeeGo being the center piece of their strategy is where I fall off being on the same page as these folks. Phones need strong app ecosystems and familiar apps that everyone expects, but developers can only realistically support so many discrete platforms. Nokia is great at making hardware, they should be confident that is what will stop them being a commodity OEM should they support a first-class citizen operating system (which is iOS or Android - so assuming no deal to support iOS means for me they have to do Android)

subway 16y ago
Depending on how Alien Dalvik works out, Meego may be able to take advantage of the existing Android ecosystem, while keeping the really nice bits of Maemo/Meego like telephony/messaging/address book subsystems.
- torpor 16y ago
  Also: Meego shall ship with all development tools ONBOARD. Cross-compiling and external toolchains, and the dependence on other platforms: no longer required. Brand Compiler-Inside, please Nokia, and reap the rewards!
wisty 16y ago
Mobile phones are practically fashion accessories. You can buy jeans for $20 (if you don't mind the quality and lack of a brand), but lots of people still buy Levi jeans.
- redthrowaway 16y ago
  Levi's are the Fords of the jean world; they're hardly a fashion label.
  - deleted 16y ago
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  - tankenmate 16y ago
    Outside the US Levi's are pitched as a premium brand, and will quite often cost 5 to 6 times more than no name brand jeans of the same quality.
  - yardie 16y ago
    I can tell you it varies by country. In places where they are scarce it is very much a fashion label. Believe it or not, so is GAP. I've given away tons of old GAP stuff I bought in college to family and friends who absolutely adore it but can't afford it.
bad_user 16y ago
Phones need strong app ecosystems and familiar apps that everyone expects Both iOS and Android started with zero apps. MeeGo is based on the Linux ecosystem. Porting games from Android / iOS to MeeGo should be trivial. Building cross-platform apps that run on all of them in C++ is also doable, since you can share the business-logic. Android would be a bad choice for them. They are big enough to want to differentiate themselves from the competition. Forking Android would be terrible for everybody; Symbian all over again. So MeeGo or a new version of Symbian is their best option: they can reuse existing code-bases and they also have enough control. Either way, the partnership with Microsoft is a disaster.
- redthrowaway 16y ago
  Building cross-platform apps that run on all of them in C++ is also doable, since you can share the business-logic. What about the OS-specific APIs? I would be more confident in a mono-type framework that makes Android ports much easier.
  - bad_user 16y ago
    If you want the best user-experience, you have to use the OS-specific APIs. Otherwise your best options are Webview components + HTML + Javascript + some native hooks to provide the missing functionality. Works quite well, take a look at PhoneGap + JQuery mobile / jQTouch.
- Synaesthesia 16y ago
  I disagree. The platform has to first exist and be attractive for developers to wanna invest in it. This is the big advantage WP7 has over MeeGo.
  - bad_user 16y ago
    I have both an iPhone and an Android with dozens of apps on them. But I could do without all of them, all I need is an Email client + a browser + a Skype client. If you build a usable/reliable OS with a usable browser and email client, people will buy your phone and devs will come. WP7 is not even on the radar yet for developers. Porting apps to WP7 for me is waisted effort instead of improving the code-bases for Android / iOS (which also have shared logic that I cannot port easily to WP7 because WP7 doesn't allow native code).
dalore 16y ago
Your reasoning sounds exactly the same reasoning they used against Apple for the iPhone.
- notahacker 16y ago
  Sure, but I wouldn't sacrifice my position as the world's leading commodity phone OEM to try to compete on features and brand with Apple; that sounds far more obviously suicidal than gambling on the Win Phone 7 platform

by dotBen 16y ago

subway 16y ago

Depending on how Alien Dalvik works out, Meego may be able to take advantage of the existing Android ecosystem, while keeping the really nice bits of Maemo/Meego like telephony/messaging/address book subsystems.

torpor 16y ago
Also: Meego shall ship with all development tools ONBOARD. Cross-compiling and external toolchains, and the dependence on other platforms: no longer required. Brand Compiler-Inside, please Nokia, and reap the rewards!

wisty 16y ago

Mobile phones are practically fashion accessories. You can buy jeans for $20 (if you don't mind the quality and lack of a brand), but lots of people still buy Levi jeans.

redthrowaway 16y ago
Levi's are the Fords of the jean world; they're hardly a fashion label.
- deleted 16y ago
  [deleted]
- tankenmate 16y ago
  Outside the US Levi's are pitched as a premium brand, and will quite often cost 5 to 6 times more than no name brand jeans of the same quality.
- yardie 16y ago
  I can tell you it varies by country. In places where they are scarce it is very much a fashion label. Believe it or not, so is GAP. I've given away tons of old GAP stuff I bought in college to family and friends who absolutely adore it but can't afford it.

bad_user 16y ago

Phones need strong app ecosystems and familiar apps that everyone expects Both iOS and Android started with zero apps. MeeGo is based on the Linux ecosystem. Porting games from Android / iOS to MeeGo should be trivial. Building cross-platform apps that run on all of them in C++ is also doable, since you can share the business-logic. Android would be a bad choice for them. They are big enough to want to differentiate themselves from the competition. Forking Android would be terrible for everybody; Symbian all over again. So MeeGo or a new version of Symbian is their best option: they can reuse existing code-bases and they also have enough control. Either way, the partnership with Microsoft is a disaster.

redthrowaway 16y ago
Building cross-platform apps that run on all of them in C++ is also doable, since you can share the business-logic. What about the OS-specific APIs? I would be more confident in a mono-type framework that makes Android ports much easier.
- bad_user 16y ago
  If you want the best user-experience, you have to use the OS-specific APIs. Otherwise your best options are Webview components + HTML + Javascript + some native hooks to provide the missing functionality. Works quite well, take a look at PhoneGap + JQuery mobile / jQTouch.
Synaesthesia 16y ago
I disagree. The platform has to first exist and be attractive for developers to wanna invest in it. This is the big advantage WP7 has over MeeGo.
- bad_user 16y ago
  I have both an iPhone and an Android with dozens of apps on them. But I could do without all of them, all I need is an Email client + a browser + a Skype client. If you build a usable/reliable OS with a usable browser and email client, people will buy your phone and devs will come. WP7 is not even on the radar yet for developers. Porting apps to WP7 for me is waisted effort instead of improving the code-bases for Android / iOS (which also have shared logic that I cannot port easily to WP7 because WP7 doesn't allow native code).

dalore 16y ago

Your reasoning sounds exactly the same reasoning they used against Apple for the iPhone.

notahacker 16y ago
Sure, but I wouldn't sacrifice my position as the world's leading commodity phone OEM to try to compete on features and brand with Apple; that sounds far more obviously suicidal than gambling on the Win Phone 7 platform