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Here's the imagery based version of this: https://www.facebook.com/notes/blake-ross/aphantasia-how-it-feels-to-be-blind-in-your-mind/10156834777480504/ https://

Here's the imagery based version of this: https://www.facebook.com/notes/blake-ross/aphantasia-how-it-feels-to-be-blind-in-your-mind/10156834777480504/ https://www.facebook.com/notes/blake-ross/aphantasia-how-it-... From what I can tell, if you don't have imagery, you don't have audio. If you happen to be someone who can hear audio internally (audio hallucinations) yet don't form imagery internally (historic iconic memories, faces, shapes, creative viz, etc.) hit me up on email.

VLM 7y ago
Talk to ham radio operators who know morse code, for them its fairly common. After awhile, especially in a competitive contest, you start to hear stuff in the static. Sometimes because there's an actual station there trying to reach you, sometimes not. Hams and hunters are the only people I can think of in modern life who listen very closely to silence, or noise anyway.
- kordlessagain 7y ago
  Good points! The trick will be finding one with Aphantasia, given my "proof" requires looking for someone who doesn't visualize AT ALL, yet still hears regular audio hallucinations. There's a somewhat controversial book called The Origins of Consciousness and the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind which seems to indicate audio hallucinations were quite common in earlier periods.
- kawfey 7y ago
  You're right. After coming home from any big 48-hr long CW contest I swear the quiet whirring of my refrigerator's compressor is trying to speak to me in morse.
- adinb 7y ago
  Radar & Sonor Operators, Radio Operators, Anyone in combat, Anyone on watch/sentry, Datalink Operators (watching messages go by was a little like Cipher watching The Matrix), to name a few...
svachalek 7y ago
Huh. I wouldn't say I can't visualize "at all" but it's a faint, crude version of actually seeing, like 1% of what it would actually be like, with great effort. On the other hand I can "hear" a voice clear as day if I want to. I'm not in the habit of "talking" to myself as many people seem to, the soundtrack of my mind can easily be silent. But if I want to rehearse what I want to say or something I can imagine it clearly.
- kordlessagain 7y ago
  And you can become aware of viewing internal imagery of family members, brothers, sisters, mom, dad? If so, I still label this "visualization".
novok 7y ago
I think in visual outlines when thinking visual things, and have to think a bit more if I want to fill it in with detail. I use audio when reading words, but otherwise think abstractly (like not audio or video, etc). Sometimes I self talk, many times I don't.

VLM 7y ago

Talk to ham radio operators who know morse code, for them its fairly common. After awhile, especially in a competitive contest, you start to hear stuff in the static. Sometimes because there's an actual station there trying to reach you, sometimes not. Hams and hunters are the only people I can think of in modern life who listen very closely to silence, or noise anyway.

kordlessagain 7y ago
Good points! The trick will be finding one with Aphantasia, given my "proof" requires looking for someone who doesn't visualize AT ALL, yet still hears regular audio hallucinations. There's a somewhat controversial book called The Origins of Consciousness and the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind which seems to indicate audio hallucinations were quite common in earlier periods.
kawfey 7y ago
You're right. After coming home from any big 48-hr long CW contest I swear the quiet whirring of my refrigerator's compressor is trying to speak to me in morse.
adinb 7y ago
Radar & Sonor Operators, Radio Operators, Anyone in combat, Anyone on watch/sentry, Datalink Operators (watching messages go by was a little like Cipher watching The Matrix), to name a few...

svachalek 7y ago

Huh. I wouldn't say I can't visualize "at all" but it's a faint, crude version of actually seeing, like 1% of what it would actually be like, with great effort. On the other hand I can "hear" a voice clear as day if I want to. I'm not in the habit of "talking" to myself as many people seem to, the soundtrack of my mind can easily be silent. But if I want to rehearse what I want to say or something I can imagine it clearly.

kordlessagain 7y ago
And you can become aware of viewing internal imagery of family members, brothers, sisters, mom, dad? If so, I still label this "visualization".

novok 7y ago

I think in visual outlines when thinking visual things, and have to think a bit more if I want to fill it in with detail. I use audio when reading words, but otherwise think abstractly (like not audio or video, etc). Sometimes I self talk, many times I don't.