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>San Francisco's auto-infrastructure is completely saturated. So how is taking away infrastructure going to help? >traffic entering San Francisco has grown by

>San Francisco's auto-infrastructure is completely saturated. So how is taking away infrastructure going to help? >traffic entering San Francisco has grown by 27 percent since 2010 >This isn't a case of getting rid of cars Right, we're just getting rid of a main traffic artery--same cars, fewer road. How does this improve traffic? >they are replacing extremely inefficient ways of getting around with more efficient ways because they want to encourage growth. What new efficient way is being added?

Eric_WVGG 7y ago
It's only "taking away infrastructure" if you think a car is the only way to get around. For the rest of us, they're ^adding^ desperately needed infrastructure.
ogre_codes 7y ago
> Right, we're just getting rid of a main traffic artery--same cars, fewer road. How does this improve traffic? It's all about what you are measuring. You see traffic as "Volume of cars going between two points" when traffic is in fact the number of people going between one place and another. There is no value in getting a car from one place to another, there is a lot of value in moving people. > What new efficient way is being added? It's been illustrated many times how much more efficient bikes, buses, and trolly's are at getting large numbers of people from one place to another when space is constrained.
- Eric_WVGG 7y ago
  This. I'll even supply an actual illustration: https://humantransit.org/2012/09/the-photo-that-explains-almost-everything.html https://humantransit.org/2012/09/the-photo-that-explains-alm...
francisofascii 7y ago
It is not taking away infrastructure, it is taking away inefficient users (cars) of the infrastructure. Not the "same" cars. Less cars. Cars cause slow traffic, so removing cars will improve traffic flow. Buses, bikes, and people are the efficient way.
xsmasher 7y ago
> What new efficient way is being added? Cutting out private cars is only the start. https://sf.funcheap.com/city-guide/sfs-market-street-carfree-2020/ https://sf.funcheap.com/city-guide/sfs-market-street-carfree...
Tiktaalik 7y ago
cars get in the way and slow down the more efficient transportation forms (ie. buses, cyclists)

Eric_WVGG 7y ago

It's only "taking away infrastructure" if you think a car is the only way to get around. For the rest of us, they're ^adding^ desperately needed infrastructure.

ogre_codes 7y ago

> Right, we're just getting rid of a main traffic artery--same cars, fewer road. How does this improve traffic? It's all about what you are measuring. You see traffic as "Volume of cars going between two points" when traffic is in fact the number of people going between one place and another. There is no value in getting a car from one place to another, there is a lot of value in moving people. > What new efficient way is being added? It's been illustrated many times how much more efficient bikes, buses, and trolly's are at getting large numbers of people from one place to another when space is constrained.

Eric_WVGG 7y ago
This. I'll even supply an actual illustration: https://humantransit.org/2012/09/the-photo-that-explains-almost-everything.html https://humantransit.org/2012/09/the-photo-that-explains-alm...

francisofascii 7y ago

It is not taking away infrastructure, it is taking away inefficient users (cars) of the infrastructure. Not the "same" cars. Less cars. Cars cause slow traffic, so removing cars will improve traffic flow. Buses, bikes, and people are the efficient way.

xsmasher 7y ago

> What new efficient way is being added? Cutting out private cars is only the start. https://sf.funcheap.com/city-guide/sfs-market-street-carfree-2020/ https://sf.funcheap.com/city-guide/sfs-market-street-carfree...

Tiktaalik 7y ago

cars get in the way and slow down the more efficient transportation forms (ie. buses, cyclists)