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The part of Market Street where there are now no private cars typically doesn’t have that many private cars on it. However, this is the right move for the city.

chroem- 7y ago
The more difficult it becomes to commute from cheaper outlying areas, the higher rents will rise within the city proper.
- selectodude 7y ago
  BART and Caltrain are always going to be cheaper than driving into the city. People who drive into San Francisco aren't the ones who don't live in the city because they can't afford it.
  - dehrmann 7y ago
    I did this for 5 years, 2 of them into the area around the Transbay Terminal. I'm an engineer, so showing up at 10:30 is workable, and the roads are at least moving by then. I also do the peninsula commute; any commute using a bridge is significantly worse. I can definitely afford to live in SF (one of the lots I parked in was $500/month), but never pulled the trigger on moving. I mostly drove because it was somehow lower stress than taking the train. I'd be standing half the time on Caltrain, and it only got me within a 25 min. walk to the office. Transferring to Bart made the walk OK, but added too much time to the commute. Oh, and Caltrain has an hour-plus delay at least monthly. I never had a driving delay that bad.
  - closeparen 7y ago
    If your time is worth $0, yes. Depending on where you're coming from, it can easily turn a 45 minute commute into 2+ hours. Probably the biggest lever here is to dramatically increase housing supply near the suburban train stations (e.g. SB 50). It's not the train ride itself that kills you, but the trek across suburbia.
- usaar333 7y ago
  Who commutes on market Street?
  - komali2 7y ago
    Some people bicycling from the mission use it, others use Folsom.
- ghaff 7y ago
  Or the more people who will simply find alternatives to commuting into the city. Not a choice for everyone obviously but people do take commuting into account when choosing employers.
- rconti 7y ago
  Nobody was commuting on this section of market street. It's a a parking lot.

chroem- 7y ago

The more difficult it becomes to commute from cheaper outlying areas, the higher rents will rise within the city proper.

selectodude 7y ago
BART and Caltrain are always going to be cheaper than driving into the city. People who drive into San Francisco aren't the ones who don't live in the city because they can't afford it.
- dehrmann 7y ago
  I did this for 5 years, 2 of them into the area around the Transbay Terminal. I'm an engineer, so showing up at 10:30 is workable, and the roads are at least moving by then. I also do the peninsula commute; any commute using a bridge is significantly worse. I can definitely afford to live in SF (one of the lots I parked in was $500/month), but never pulled the trigger on moving. I mostly drove because it was somehow lower stress than taking the train. I'd be standing half the time on Caltrain, and it only got me within a 25 min. walk to the office. Transferring to Bart made the walk OK, but added too much time to the commute. Oh, and Caltrain has an hour-plus delay at least monthly. I never had a driving delay that bad.
- closeparen 7y ago
  If your time is worth $0, yes. Depending on where you're coming from, it can easily turn a 45 minute commute into 2+ hours. Probably the biggest lever here is to dramatically increase housing supply near the suburban train stations (e.g. SB 50). It's not the train ride itself that kills you, but the trek across suburbia.
usaar333 7y ago
Who commutes on market Street?
- komali2 7y ago
  Some people bicycling from the mission use it, others use Folsom.
ghaff 7y ago
Or the more people who will simply find alternatives to commuting into the city. Not a choice for everyone obviously but people do take commuting into account when choosing employers.
rconti 7y ago
Nobody was commuting on this section of market street. It's a a parking lot.