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Fb seems like a company that’s past it’s peak. Their brand and public image is garbage and they’re just going to extract as much profits from their dwindling us

Fb seems like a company that’s past it’s peak. Their brand and public image is garbage and they’re just going to extract as much profits from their dwindling user base as they can on the way down.

alehul 7y ago
> dwindling user base Even if Facebook is shrinking, I don't think WhatsApp and Instagram are, and who knows what other companies Facebook may be able to buy up rather than be overtaken by.
likpok 7y ago
User growth is up, even on Facebook alone. If what you say is true you might expect weekly users to be up-or-flat while daily is declining, as people are locked in to the platform but less engaged with it. But daily users are also up.
- bamboozled 7y ago
  Are they your numbers, someone else’s or theirs ? Seems like they’d have a vested interest to claim anything as daily users. Bots, trolls, whatever.
  - sfifs 7y ago
    If they're not removing obvious frauds in these numbers, they'll be the target of shareholder class action lawsuits. In general, numbers published by big corporations tend to be reasonably sourced due to this reason - gotchas tend to more subtle. Privately held company numbers on the other hand are generally much more suspect (Uber before IPO, Snap before IPO, We work, Theranos...)
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  - nl 7y ago
    True. But there are plenty of proxy measures that show similar growth. For example the AppAnnie "active user" measure actually measures on device usage, and shows that 4 out of the top 5 most used apps world wide (or maybe ex-China? Unclear) are Facebook-owned (WhatsApp, Facebook, FB Messenger and Instagram. WeChat is number 4). https://www.appannie.com/en/insights/market-data/state-of-mobile-2020-rankings/ https://www.appannie.com/en/insights/market-data/state-of-mo...
- ridaj 7y ago
  Are their usage numbers up only in those markets that monetize poorly though?
luckydata 7y ago
Social apps are like clubs, they are hot for a while and then nobody wants to go anymore. Facebook the company can beat that by building new apps (open a new club) and keep reinventing themselves that way. It's not easy because being ahead of social trends consistently is difficult, but they can just buy whoever cracks the flavor of the decade. I suspect in some incarnation or another they will be around for a while.
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coliveira 7y ago
FB is not growing as before, but they're buying other social network companies to avoid that ultimate fate.
- bryan_w 7y ago
  Who have they bought recently?
alasdair_ 7y ago
>dwindling user base Their report indicates they just passed the 2.5 billion user mark.
- colejohnson66 7y ago
  That is just mind boggling. Literally a third of the entire earth has a Facebook account. Yes, duplicates are a thing if someone remakes an account, but most don’t.
danso 7y ago
People have been saying this for years, especially ones who don't realize FB is not just Facebook, but Instagram and Whatsapp.
zelly 7y ago
FB has enough money, tech, lawyers, and infra to dominate whatever business they decide to aim their cannons at. It's not really about facebook dot com anymore. If they wanted to, they could destroy Uber tomorrow. You have to look at it more like a country than a business.
vokep 7y ago
Having tried the oculus quest, I'm quite terrified that FB will rise back as the central VR provider. They've got the best user experience as far as that goes right now, and Zuckerberg has made it clear thats going to be a future focus of the company

alehul 7y ago

> dwindling user base Even if Facebook is shrinking, I don't think WhatsApp and Instagram are, and who knows what other companies Facebook may be able to buy up rather than be overtaken by.

likpok 7y ago

User growth is up, even on Facebook alone. If what you say is true you might expect weekly users to be up-or-flat while daily is declining, as people are locked in to the platform but less engaged with it. But daily users are also up.

bamboozled 7y ago
Are they your numbers, someone else’s or theirs ? Seems like they’d have a vested interest to claim anything as daily users. Bots, trolls, whatever.
- sfifs 7y ago
  If they're not removing obvious frauds in these numbers, they'll be the target of shareholder class action lawsuits. In general, numbers published by big corporations tend to be reasonably sourced due to this reason - gotchas tend to more subtle. Privately held company numbers on the other hand are generally much more suspect (Uber before IPO, Snap before IPO, We work, Theranos...)
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- nl 7y ago
  True. But there are plenty of proxy measures that show similar growth. For example the AppAnnie "active user" measure actually measures on device usage, and shows that 4 out of the top 5 most used apps world wide (or maybe ex-China? Unclear) are Facebook-owned (WhatsApp, Facebook, FB Messenger and Instagram. WeChat is number 4). https://www.appannie.com/en/insights/market-data/state-of-mobile-2020-rankings/ https://www.appannie.com/en/insights/market-data/state-of-mo...
ridaj 7y ago
Are their usage numbers up only in those markets that monetize poorly though?

luckydata 7y ago

Social apps are like clubs, they are hot for a while and then nobody wants to go anymore. Facebook the company can beat that by building new apps (open a new club) and keep reinventing themselves that way. It's not easy because being ahead of social trends consistently is difficult, but they can just buy whoever cracks the flavor of the decade. I suspect in some incarnation or another they will be around for a while.

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coliveira 7y ago

FB is not growing as before, but they're buying other social network companies to avoid that ultimate fate.

bryan_w 7y ago
Who have they bought recently?

alasdair_ 7y ago

>dwindling user base Their report indicates they just passed the 2.5 billion user mark.

colejohnson66 7y ago
That is just mind boggling. Literally a third of the entire earth has a Facebook account. Yes, duplicates are a thing if someone remakes an account, but most don’t.

danso 7y ago

People have been saying this for years, especially ones who don't realize FB is not just Facebook, but Instagram and Whatsapp.

zelly 7y ago

FB has enough money, tech, lawyers, and infra to dominate whatever business they decide to aim their cannons at. It's not really about facebook dot com anymore. If they wanted to, they could destroy Uber tomorrow. You have to look at it more like a country than a business.

vokep 7y ago

Having tried the oculus quest, I'm quite terrified that FB will rise back as the central VR provider. They've got the best user experience as far as that goes right now, and Zuckerberg has made it clear thats going to be a future focus of the company