7 ms·

Regarding the social impact, while likely overstated it has the possibility of making a real impact. Rural communities in upstate NY (Catskills, Adirondacks) ha

by twunde 7y ago

Regarding the social impact, while likely overstated it has the possibility of making a real impact. Rural communities in upstate NY (Catskills, Adirondacks) have had their tourist season drop to ~6 weeks in the summer, basically because people can't take so much time off while being out of contact (there is limited internet and cell phone service. Not having either is the norm). Being able to work remotely from those types of locations will extend that tourist season and help the local economies there. For some areas, this may be enough to move the economy from depressed to prosperous.

midnightclubbed 7y ago
What is stopping cell providers from adding more towers/capacity to that area? Are there geographic reasons or just a matter of time and economics?
- zaroth 7y ago
  I would assume that cell towers will absolutely love Starlink as a backhaul. Think how much easier it gets to stand up a tower when all you need is electricity on-site.
- TylerE 7y ago
  Lots of nimbyism, for a start.
- SteveGerencser 7y ago
  Out here it is purely economics and population density. I live in West TN and the nearest cell phone tower is 7 miles in a straight line from my house. There is one provider that works here, and a good signal is 2 bards, but usually, 1 is normal and things like 4g or LTE rarely work. I offered $1/yr lease to the providers, all of them, to put a tower on my farm and not one of them is even a little interested.
  - 14 7y ago
    I am willing to bet that changes once Starlink is within the finish line. My dad talks of a small town here in Canada that refused to upgrade the towers and when a private citizen started applying to create his own company magically it was suddenly economic for Telus to put up a tower. I know that I feel ripped off every single day by what we pay for mobile data compared to the rest of the world. If Starlink suddenly shows up there is an alternative to Bell Rogers Telus. They should be shaking in their boots. It should be easy for Starlink to undercut their business because they made a business out of customer gouging.
  - alasdair_ 7y ago
    > a good signal is 2 bards Obviously you meant “bars” but I found myself wondering what kind of throughput a single Bard has, assuming they sing at maximum speed... Assuming a single (very talented) bard can sing five words per second at maximum speed, and assuming each word is a few bytes, plus some kind of checksum occasionally, we are looking at very roughly 200 bps. So “two bards” is about 400 bps, or far, far slower than my first modem :)
    - vardump 7y ago
      Each letter in sensible english sentences carries only about 1 bit worth of information. So assuming 5 words per second and each word is 5 letters on average, it's just 25 bps per bard. If it's not sensible, I'm sure the speed will also be correspondingly slower.
monk_e_boy 7y ago
I often wonder how Tesla will make use of Starlink. Such a huge data stream up and down will enable all sorts of interesting things. Maybe each car won't need a brain, maybe one huge brain will drive all cars. Sync all the cars up, make them act like a single giant distributed being.
- Teever 7y ago
  What happens when the car goes into a tunnel?
  - jdminhbg 7y ago
    You lose connectivity for sixty seconds.
    - gerikson 7y ago
      Wow your tunnels are short. I routinely drive through a tunnel that’s 4.5km long, sometimes at 30kph due to traffic.
    - mensetmanusman 7y ago
      Starlink pizza boxes and repeaters on the ends and throughout.
- lgats 7y ago
  Except tunnels.
- ogre_codes 7y ago
  No single meta-brain, but I could see Tesla offering internet access inside your car instead of current LTE/ 5G solutions.
m463 7y ago
I also imagine teenagers on boring family vacations with no signal will now rejoice.
aylmao 7y ago
This honestly sounds more like an issue of social policy. The big ISPs make things like municipal broadband very hard to bring about. This leaves connectivity of these communities in the hands of an executive many miles away, and they will always place more attention to the massive profits of bringing 5G to people in rich cities (themselves included) than servicing low or even no-profit markets. At this point some level of internet access could and maybe should be considered a public utility.

by twunde 7y ago

midnightclubbed 7y ago

What is stopping cell providers from adding more towers/capacity to that area? Are there geographic reasons or just a matter of time and economics?

zaroth 7y ago
I would assume that cell towers will absolutely love Starlink as a backhaul. Think how much easier it gets to stand up a tower when all you need is electricity on-site.
TylerE 7y ago
Lots of nimbyism, for a start.
SteveGerencser 7y ago
Out here it is purely economics and population density. I live in West TN and the nearest cell phone tower is 7 miles in a straight line from my house. There is one provider that works here, and a good signal is 2 bards, but usually, 1 is normal and things like 4g or LTE rarely work. I offered $1/yr lease to the providers, all of them, to put a tower on my farm and not one of them is even a little interested.
- 14 7y ago
  I am willing to bet that changes once Starlink is within the finish line. My dad talks of a small town here in Canada that refused to upgrade the towers and when a private citizen started applying to create his own company magically it was suddenly economic for Telus to put up a tower. I know that I feel ripped off every single day by what we pay for mobile data compared to the rest of the world. If Starlink suddenly shows up there is an alternative to Bell Rogers Telus. They should be shaking in their boots. It should be easy for Starlink to undercut their business because they made a business out of customer gouging.
- alasdair_ 7y ago
  > a good signal is 2 bards Obviously you meant “bars” but I found myself wondering what kind of throughput a single Bard has, assuming they sing at maximum speed... Assuming a single (very talented) bard can sing five words per second at maximum speed, and assuming each word is a few bytes, plus some kind of checksum occasionally, we are looking at very roughly 200 bps. So “two bards” is about 400 bps, or far, far slower than my first modem :)
  - vardump 7y ago
    Each letter in sensible english sentences carries only about 1 bit worth of information. So assuming 5 words per second and each word is 5 letters on average, it's just 25 bps per bard. If it's not sensible, I'm sure the speed will also be correspondingly slower.

monk_e_boy 7y ago

I often wonder how Tesla will make use of Starlink. Such a huge data stream up and down will enable all sorts of interesting things. Maybe each car won't need a brain, maybe one huge brain will drive all cars. Sync all the cars up, make them act like a single giant distributed being.

Teever 7y ago
What happens when the car goes into a tunnel?
- jdminhbg 7y ago
  You lose connectivity for sixty seconds.
  - gerikson 7y ago
    Wow your tunnels are short. I routinely drive through a tunnel that’s 4.5km long, sometimes at 30kph due to traffic.
  - mensetmanusman 7y ago
    Starlink pizza boxes and repeaters on the ends and throughout.
lgats 7y ago
Except tunnels.
ogre_codes 7y ago
No single meta-brain, but I could see Tesla offering internet access inside your car instead of current LTE/ 5G solutions.

m463 7y ago

I also imagine teenagers on boring family vacations with no signal will now rejoice.

aylmao 7y ago

This honestly sounds more like an issue of social policy. The big ISPs make things like municipal broadband very hard to bring about. This leaves connectivity of these communities in the hands of an executive many miles away, and they will always place more attention to the massive profits of bringing 5G to people in rich cities (themselves included) than servicing low or even no-profit markets. At this point some level of internet access could and maybe should be considered a public utility.