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Teen used to be the old adult. Today's 'teens' used to be admirals and generals.

by yters 7y ago

Mirioron 7y ago
Maybe not admirals and generals, but perhaps captains or field officers. Eg Peter Noel Wylie-Buckwell.[0] From the Civil War era there's Arthur MacArthur Jr who made Captain by the age of 21. If you were to count brevetted ranks then he was Lieutenant Colonel at 19.[1] [0] https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/55967860/peter-noel_wylie-buckwell#source https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/55967860/peter-noel_wyli... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_MacArthur_Jr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_MacArthur_Jr.
- sneakernets 7y ago
  I think we need to draw a line in the sand though and say fast, forced development doesn't work on humans as well as some imply it does. You cannot make the brain "grow faster"; that's not how humans work.
  - saltyfamiliar 7y ago
    You can influence the shape in which a young brain grows much more easily and to a deeper extent than you can a mature brain. The neural systems one develops during adolescence will determine a lot of their psychological traits and the course of their life.
- jotm 7y ago
  OK but what is your and OPs point? For every "teen" Captain there were like thousands of privates, not to mention farmers, deck hands, apprentices, other workers. And their offspring are the majority...
  - yters 7y ago
    'teenager' is a modern construct, probably to limit the labor market.
- peteretep 7y ago
  > Arthur MacArthur Jr who made Captain by the age of 21 That's definitely young, but the average age of a Captain in the US military today is 27, and you can be one as early as 25.
learc83 7y ago
The age of majority was traditionally 21 for men in the US and the UK. There were many rights and privileges that were restricted until then. You couldn't vote in most of the US until 21, for instance. The only generals I can think of who were teenagers were nobility who inherited positions or people like Lafayette who managed to use his nobility to convince Washington to make him an honorary general when he was I believe 19. Teenagers as a whole weren't respected members of adults society in the pre-modern time, even if they did usually have jobs.
- SimbaOnSteroids 7y ago
  Also Alexander was a teenager if i remember correctly.
  - learc83 7y ago
    I assume you're talking about Alexander Hamilton. He never rose past the rank of colonel. He did use connections to form a militia of college students that he led as captain. I believe he was either 18 or 20 at the time (there's a debate over when he was actually born). And he was later elevated to a colonel in the continental army, but he wasn't a teenager when that happened.
    - checkyoursudo 7y ago
      I rather suspect the reference was to Alexander the Great.
      - learc83 7y ago
        I thought that could be the case, but since I'd mentioned Washington and Lafayette I leaned towards Hamilton being the intended reference. As for Alexander the Great he was probably a general as a teenager, but he falls squarely in the "nobility who inherited positions" camp. So much about Alexander is wrapped up in legends and comes from much later sources that we really have no idea how fantastic a "general" he was as a teenager.
  - 7y ago
mistrial9 7y ago
fight, command, obey, learn to shave ? In a world where life was short and brutal, yes certainly a 20 year old is a major thing. People develop differently, and some may find that a long-adolescence is conducive to advanced learning not available "on a battlefield"
- yters 7y ago
  Given how much today's young adult flounders in much more cushy conditions, I doubt your claim that long-adolescence is conducive to anything positive.
Jaruzel 7y ago
We also used to die (mostly) in our 60s. In the future, if the human race manages to extend their lifespan to ~200, then people probably won't be considered 'adults' until their 40s. It's all relative.

Teen used to be the old adult. Today's 'teens' used to be admirals and generals.

by yters 7y ago

Teen used to be the old adult. Today's 'teens' used to be admirals and generals.

Maybe not admirals and generals, but perhaps captains or field officers. Eg Peter Noel Wylie-Buckwell.[0] From the Civil War era there's Arthur MacArthur Jr who made Captain by the age of 21. If you were to count brevetted ranks then he was Lieutenant Colonel at 19.[1] [0] https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/55967860/peter-noel_wylie-buckwell#source https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/55967860/peter-noel_wyli... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_MacArthur_Jr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_MacArthur_Jr.

sneakernets 7y ago
I think we need to draw a line in the sand though and say fast, forced development doesn't work on humans as well as some imply it does. You cannot make the brain "grow faster"; that's not how humans work.
- saltyfamiliar 7y ago
  You can influence the shape in which a young brain grows much more easily and to a deeper extent than you can a mature brain. The neural systems one develops during adolescence will determine a lot of their psychological traits and the course of their life.
jotm 7y ago
OK but what is your and OPs point? For every "teen" Captain there were like thousands of privates, not to mention farmers, deck hands, apprentices, other workers. And their offspring are the majority...
- yters 7y ago
  'teenager' is a modern construct, probably to limit the labor market.
peteretep 7y ago
> Arthur MacArthur Jr who made Captain by the age of 21 That's definitely young, but the average age of a Captain in the US military today is 27, and you can be one as early as 25.

learc83 7y ago

The age of majority was traditionally 21 for men in the US and the UK. There were many rights and privileges that were restricted until then. You couldn't vote in most of the US until 21, for instance. The only generals I can think of who were teenagers were nobility who inherited positions or people like Lafayette who managed to use his nobility to convince Washington to make him an honorary general when he was I believe 19. Teenagers as a whole weren't respected members of adults society in the pre-modern time, even if they did usually have jobs.

SimbaOnSteroids 7y ago
Also Alexander was a teenager if i remember correctly.
- learc83 7y ago
  I assume you're talking about Alexander Hamilton. He never rose past the rank of colonel. He did use connections to form a militia of college students that he led as captain. I believe he was either 18 or 20 at the time (there's a debate over when he was actually born). And he was later elevated to a colonel in the continental army, but he wasn't a teenager when that happened.
  - checkyoursudo 7y ago
    I rather suspect the reference was to Alexander the Great.
    - learc83 7y ago
      I thought that could be the case, but since I'd mentioned Washington and Lafayette I leaned towards Hamilton being the intended reference. As for Alexander the Great he was probably a general as a teenager, but he falls squarely in the "nobility who inherited positions" camp. So much about Alexander is wrapped up in legends and comes from much later sources that we really have no idea how fantastic a "general" he was as a teenager.
- 7y ago

mistrial9 7y ago

fight, command, obey, learn to shave ? In a world where life was short and brutal, yes certainly a 20 year old is a major thing. People develop differently, and some may find that a long-adolescence is conducive to advanced learning not available "on a battlefield"

yters 7y ago
Given how much today's young adult flounders in much more cushy conditions, I doubt your claim that long-adolescence is conducive to anything positive.

Jaruzel 7y ago

We also used to die (mostly) in our 60s. In the future, if the human race manages to extend their lifespan to ~200, then people probably won't be considered 'adults' until their 40s. It's all relative.