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>Well, that in my eyes is a very solid advertising in favour of ProtonMail. In context of 5/9/14+ eyes, the nomenclature of solid advertising might differ from

by 45ure 7y ago

>Well, that in my eyes is a very solid advertising in favour of ProtonMail. In context of 5/9/14+ eyes, the nomenclature of solid advertising might differ from your interpretation, where perceptions matter ─ ranging from honeypots, compromised Tor exit nodes to dubious VPN providers, absence of warrant canaries to flawed encryption products etc. It is probably best to exercise caution and remain sceptical, rather than start endorsing products, based solely on a single random event.

pdimitar 7y ago
We all work with incomplete information and we have to deal with that every day. Your comment to me reads like "you can be killed by a micro-meteorite if you go out so stay in an underground bunker". Of course there are flawed VPNs and honeypot Tor nodes out there. The fight to track people and censor information is ongoing 24/7 around the globe. Random event or not, if a government feels that it has to plug a leak as opposed to pwning/backdooring it then to me this means they chose the lesser evil and they really cannot crack ProtonMail. If that's indeed the case then this sends the message to me that I'd like my email to be better protected and I might switch away from GMail. Whether there is a bigger game involved though, I can't know. Can you?
- 45ure 7y ago
  >if a government feels that it has to plug a leak instead of pwn it then to me this means they chose the lesser evil and they really cannot crack ProtonMail. The government does not need to tell you anything and when it says it can't 'break' something, try and remember ─ you can dance like nobody is watching, but make sure you encrypt like everybody is watching.
C14L 7y ago
There is ProtonVPN. Proton is based on Switzerland, so no N eyes interference there. At least not via a legal route.
- beatgammit 7y ago
  You still have to worry about Swiss intelligence. That being said, ProtonMail is a fine product and I'm happy to be a customer.
utxaa 7y ago
wow, you are one eloquent writer. i just like reading your comments for the structure of the prose. write something!

by 45ure 7y ago

pdimitar 7y ago

We all work with incomplete information and we have to deal with that every day. Your comment to me reads like "you can be killed by a micro-meteorite if you go out so stay in an underground bunker". Of course there are flawed VPNs and honeypot Tor nodes out there. The fight to track people and censor information is ongoing 24/7 around the globe. Random event or not, if a government feels that it has to plug a leak as opposed to pwning/backdooring it then to me this means they chose the lesser evil and they really cannot crack ProtonMail. If that's indeed the case then this sends the message to me that I'd like my email to be better protected and I might switch away from GMail. Whether there is a bigger game involved though, I can't know. Can you?

45ure 7y ago
>if a government feels that it has to plug a leak instead of pwn it then to me this means they chose the lesser evil and they really cannot crack ProtonMail. The government does not need to tell you anything and when it says it can't 'break' something, try and remember ─ you can dance like nobody is watching, but make sure you encrypt like everybody is watching.

C14L 7y ago

There is ProtonVPN. Proton is based on Switzerland, so no N eyes interference there. At least not via a legal route.

beatgammit 7y ago
You still have to worry about Swiss intelligence. That being said, ProtonMail is a fine product and I'm happy to be a customer.

utxaa 7y ago

wow, you are one eloquent writer. i just like reading your comments for the structure of the prose. write something!