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worldnuclearreport.org is an anti-nuclear activist organization, FYI. They are not an official body of any kind. There are a number of flaws in the conclusion

worldnuclearreport.org is an anti-nuclear activist organization, FYI. They are not an official body of any kind. There are a number of flaws in the conclusions they advocate. 1. They compare raw generation costs, but always neglect storage costs for renewables - which is the MAJORITY problem with most renewables. 2. They claim that nuclear takes long and is expensive, while continuing to advocate regulations to make nuclear more expensive and take longer. I call this the "push someone off a cliff and then accuse him of being clumsy" strategy. 3. Nuclear scales better than any other solution. Storage (at least in North America) is trivial - we have a massive facility capable of storing ALL the waste from the US & Canada, just sitting closed because of politics and fearmongering. 4. Building a nuclear plant takes 10-15 years. The most ambitious "New Green Deal" plan from environmentalists has a timeline of 10 years (despite have no solution to the storage problem). Frankly, if we get to 100% nuclear and hydro in 20 years, that is very much in line with preventing climate change. Note also that China is currently building 24 GenIII nuclear plants.

lispm 7y ago
> Note also that China is currently building 24 GenIII nuclear plants. Too slow. What is it? 30 GW production capacity? 40? 50? China is going in the direction of total 1300 GW production capacity with just coal. > Building a nuclear plant takes 10-15 years. A single one. I was taking about scale. To replace the coal power plants of China, one would need to build 1000 reactors.
- koheripbal 7y ago
  > A single one. You think they are built in series? Like one after the other? Do you place that same requirement on renewable plants? > To replace the coal power plants of China, one would need to build 1000 reactors. The Chinese plants under construction will bring nuclear from 2% of the current grid to 20% by 2030. So, no, it's not 1000 reactors, it would be 100 - which is entirely doable. ...and indeed they are planning for an additional 1500GW of nuclear power construction AFTER this current set is finished. [source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_China#Nuclear_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_China#Nu...)
  - lispm 7y ago
    > You think they are built in series? They need a ramp up. Which is much easier for renewable. > The Chinese plants under construction will bring nuclear from 2% of the current grid to 20% by 2030 Renewable is there already. See here for nuclear: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_China --- As of March 2019, China has 46 nuclear reactors in operation with a capacity of 42.8 GW and 11 under construction with a capacity of 10.8 GW.[4][5] Additional reactors are planned for an additional 36 GW. China was planning to have 58 GW of capacity by 2020.[3] However, few plants have commenced construction since 2015, and it is now unlikely that this target will be met.--- Nuclear will be far from providing 20% in 2030. Probably not even 10%: https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-a-f/china-nuclear-power.aspx https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-pr... ---By 2030 nuclear capacity will be 120 to 150 GWe, and nuclear will provide 8% to 10% of electricity.---

lispm 7y ago

> Note also that China is currently building 24 GenIII nuclear plants. Too slow. What is it? 30 GW production capacity? 40? 50? China is going in the direction of total 1300 GW production capacity with just coal. > Building a nuclear plant takes 10-15 years. A single one. I was taking about scale. To replace the coal power plants of China, one would need to build 1000 reactors.

koheripbal 7y ago
> A single one. You think they are built in series? Like one after the other? Do you place that same requirement on renewable plants? > To replace the coal power plants of China, one would need to build 1000 reactors. The Chinese plants under construction will bring nuclear from 2% of the current grid to 20% by 2030. So, no, it's not 1000 reactors, it would be 100 - which is entirely doable. ...and indeed they are planning for an additional 1500GW of nuclear power construction AFTER this current set is finished. [source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_China#Nuclear_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_China#Nu...)
- lispm 7y ago
  > You think they are built in series? They need a ramp up. Which is much easier for renewable. > The Chinese plants under construction will bring nuclear from 2% of the current grid to 20% by 2030 Renewable is there already. See here for nuclear: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_China --- As of March 2019, China has 46 nuclear reactors in operation with a capacity of 42.8 GW and 11 under construction with a capacity of 10.8 GW.[4][5] Additional reactors are planned for an additional 36 GW. China was planning to have 58 GW of capacity by 2020.[3] However, few plants have commenced construction since 2015, and it is now unlikely that this target will be met.--- Nuclear will be far from providing 20% in 2030. Probably not even 10%: https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-a-f/china-nuclear-power.aspx https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-pr... ---By 2030 nuclear capacity will be 120 to 150 GWe, and nuclear will provide 8% to 10% of electricity.---