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It's amazing how successful activists have apparently been with nuclear and how unsuccessful in other areas. I wonder why it was so easy to stop when other ind

by 7952 7y ago

It's amazing how successful activists have apparently been with nuclear and how unsuccessful in other areas. I wonder why it was so easy to stop when other industries are so much worse. My guess is that politicians don't like the decades of cost and program over-runs.

pfdietz 7y ago
The nuclear industry is terrible at making reactors, but really good at making excuses.
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- Reason077 7y ago
  It seems that the problems and delays with the EPR design, at least in the case of Olkiluoto and Flamanville, have more to do with building the surrounding containment structure than the reactor itself.
- dashundchen 7y ago
  This - I see comments strawmanning "environmentalists" and "activists" stopping nuclear power in these threads. I find it hard to believe that activism would successfully block almost all nuclear construction for decades in the US and EU. Environmentalists are against fracking, coal, oil and pipelines, yet these sources have managed to be built pretty much endlessly since the dawn of the movement. GE, Westinghouse and others in nuclear industry are hardly unfamiliar with lobbying and getting things done in almost any other industry. There is a lot of money to be made if nuclear was as cheap as some claim. Instead the nuclear power plant operators in North America and the EU lobby for new government subsidies instead: https://energynews.us/2019/04/24/midwest/ohio-nuclear-subsidy-bill-designed-to-undermine-wind-and-solar-experts-say/ https://energynews.us/2019/04/24/midwest/ohio-nuclear-subsid... https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2016/05/30/ontarios-misguided-love-affair-with-nuclear-power.html https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2016/05/30/ontari... https://www.reuters.com/article/europe-nuclear-energy-idUSL6N0FP2P820130719 https://www.reuters.com/article/europe-nuclear-energy-idUSL6... A plant expansion under construction in Georgia is expected to cost $27 billion for construction alone! Imagine how much wind/solar/storage that could buy, at a much faster speed. https://www.ajc.com/business/after-wrangling-over-georgia-nuclear-plant-cost-concerns-remain/9iGHX9Ugo7QPkli9LoqGbM/ https://www.ajc.com/business/after-wrangling-over-georgia-nu...
  - mc32 7y ago
    Well when a governor orders state officials NOT to approve ANY evacuation plan... it doesn’t matter what you do.
    - pfdietz 7y ago
      That explains one case. It can't be an explanation of the widespread failure of nuclear.
az123456 7y ago
It's easier to campaign against something than for something, points at Brexit and Trump

by 7952 7y ago

pfdietz 7y ago

The nuclear industry is terrible at making reactors, but really good at making excuses.

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Reason077 7y ago
It seems that the problems and delays with the EPR design, at least in the case of Olkiluoto and Flamanville, have more to do with building the surrounding containment structure than the reactor itself.
dashundchen 7y ago
This - I see comments strawmanning "environmentalists" and "activists" stopping nuclear power in these threads. I find it hard to believe that activism would successfully block almost all nuclear construction for decades in the US and EU. Environmentalists are against fracking, coal, oil and pipelines, yet these sources have managed to be built pretty much endlessly since the dawn of the movement. GE, Westinghouse and others in nuclear industry are hardly unfamiliar with lobbying and getting things done in almost any other industry. There is a lot of money to be made if nuclear was as cheap as some claim. Instead the nuclear power plant operators in North America and the EU lobby for new government subsidies instead: https://energynews.us/2019/04/24/midwest/ohio-nuclear-subsidy-bill-designed-to-undermine-wind-and-solar-experts-say/ https://energynews.us/2019/04/24/midwest/ohio-nuclear-subsid... https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2016/05/30/ontarios-misguided-love-affair-with-nuclear-power.html https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2016/05/30/ontari... https://www.reuters.com/article/europe-nuclear-energy-idUSL6N0FP2P820130719 https://www.reuters.com/article/europe-nuclear-energy-idUSL6... A plant expansion under construction in Georgia is expected to cost $27 billion for construction alone! Imagine how much wind/solar/storage that could buy, at a much faster speed. https://www.ajc.com/business/after-wrangling-over-georgia-nuclear-plant-cost-concerns-remain/9iGHX9Ugo7QPkli9LoqGbM/ https://www.ajc.com/business/after-wrangling-over-georgia-nu...
- mc32 7y ago
  Well when a governor orders state officials NOT to approve ANY evacuation plan... it doesn’t matter what you do.
  - pfdietz 7y ago
    That explains one case. It can't be an explanation of the widespread failure of nuclear.

az123456 7y ago

It's easier to campaign against something than for something, points at Brexit and Trump