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Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization

16 points by luu 7y ago

arnon 7y ago
... And?
rayiner 7y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/02/18/the-first-blow-against-public-employees/fdr-warned-us-about-public-sector-unions https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/02/18/the-first-b... > “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.” > That wasn’t Newt Gingrich, or Ron Paul, or Ronald Reagan talking. That was George Meany -- the former president of the A.F.L.-C.I.O -- in 1955. Government unions are unremarkable today, but the labor movement once thought the idea absurd. > The founders of the labor movement viewed unions as a vehicle to get workers more of the profits they help create. Government workers, however, don’t generate profits. They merely negotiate for more tax money. When government unions strike, they strike against taxpayers. F.D.R. considered this “unthinkable and intolerable.” People make Reagan out to be some sort of extremist for firing the striking Air Traffic Controllers. The strike, however, was illegal. Federal employees are not allowed to strike. Such bans on public employee strikes are not unique to the US. For example, Germany’s constitutional court recently reaffirmed the country’s ban on strikes by public employees: https://www.dw.com/en/german-teachers-cannot-strike-says-constitutional-court-in-karlsruhe/a-44171589 https://www.dw.com/en/german-teachers-cannot-strike-says-con....
- realityking 7y ago
  The situation in Germany is not that easy. There are generally speaking two classes of civil servants in Germany. Employees, governed by normal labor law and with the right to strike and so called Beamte with their own set of laws. Being in the 2nd category has significant advantages as you have a job for life (barring misconduct) and pensions are much higher than for regular employees. It does also have downsides including the lack of a right to strike. Wikipedia has some more details: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter
- eesmith 7y ago
  The recent WV teacher strike was also illegal. And effective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_West_Virginia_teachers%27_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_West_Virginia_teachers%27...

16 points by luu 7y ago

... And?

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/02/18/the-first-blow-against-public-employees/fdr-warned-us-about-public-sector-unions https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/02/18/the-first-b... > “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.” > That wasn’t Newt Gingrich, or Ron Paul, or Ronald Reagan talking. That was George Meany -- the former president of the A.F.L.-C.I.O -- in 1955. Government unions are unremarkable today, but the labor movement once thought the idea absurd. > The founders of the labor movement viewed unions as a vehicle to get workers more of the profits they help create. Government workers, however, don’t generate profits. They merely negotiate for more tax money. When government unions strike, they strike against taxpayers. F.D.R. considered this “unthinkable and intolerable.” People make Reagan out to be some sort of extremist for firing the striking Air Traffic Controllers. The strike, however, was illegal. Federal employees are not allowed to strike. Such bans on public employee strikes are not unique to the US. For example, Germany’s constitutional court recently reaffirmed the country’s ban on strikes by public employees: https://www.dw.com/en/german-teachers-cannot-strike-says-constitutional-court-in-karlsruhe/a-44171589 https://www.dw.com/en/german-teachers-cannot-strike-says-con....

realityking 7y ago
The situation in Germany is not that easy. There are generally speaking two classes of civil servants in Germany. Employees, governed by normal labor law and with the right to strike and so called Beamte with their own set of laws. Being in the 2nd category has significant advantages as you have a job for life (barring misconduct) and pensions are much higher than for regular employees. It does also have downsides including the lack of a right to strike. Wikipedia has some more details: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter
eesmith 7y ago
The recent WV teacher strike was also illegal. And effective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_West_Virginia_teachers%27_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_West_Virginia_teachers%27...