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DoT proposes to narrow the definition of service animal on planes

55 points by prostoalex 7y ago

rayiner 7y ago
Misleading headline: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/emotional-support-peacock-not-anymore-says-new-federal-airline-rule-117256 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/emotional-support-pea... > There is no federal ban. If Delta wants to allow a therapeutic wombat on board, Uncle Sam will not get in the way. > If some airlines crack down, others can market themselves as pet-friendly. Rather than using the federal government to force airlines to allow these animals on board, we should trust airlines and passengers to find what works best through the marketplace.
- avalys 7y ago
  Exactly. The current bullshit situation is due to a federal regulation that requires airlines allow emotional support animals. This proposal would simply eliminate that requirement.
  - zyang 7y ago
    I’m glad because people are abusing the system. I have a coworker that spent a lot of money getting her dog trained and certified so she could bring it into restaurants. All it does is tying up resources from people that actually need service dogs.
    - Jamwinner 7y ago
      I wish we could persucute those who abuse the system. Hving my compassion gamed for your furbaby makes me seethe.
- useragent86 7y ago
  "Democracy dies in darkness."
- rezgi 7y ago
  > Rather than using the federal government to force airlines to allow these animals on board, we should trust airlines and passengers to find what works best through the marketplace. Because we all know self-regulation works so well for the consumers.
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awillen 7y ago
Any change to this rule is welcome in my book. What really gets me is the people who fly with dogs that are obviously terrified. Putting an animal that isn't trained to handle airports and planes in that situation so you don't have to be separated from fluffy is just cruel. Put your dog in boarding (or find a pet sitter, etc.) when you go out of town. If you can't afford to do the right thing for your dog when you travel, then you can't afford to travel.
CivBase 7y ago
Relevant article from a few days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22122890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22122890
BubRoss 7y ago
Where did the emotional support animal term come from? That's what a pet is, an animal you keep for emotional support.
- deleted 7y ago
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- Jamwinner 7y ago
  Its acutally a good question. I understnd it as a mis-wording of 'service animal' in air-travel laws that a whole industry sprung up around to exploit.
foreigner 7y ago
This is a strangely one-sided article. Surely there are people who want the definition of service animals to include more than just dogs - where's the quote from them?
- Jamwinner 7y ago
  Other than miniture horses, only dogs can be service animals. The other pets are the problem being addressed.
- ASalazarMX 7y ago
  Should I bring my emotional support <cat | pony | donkey | vulture | fruit bat | rhinoceros> on my international flight?
unstatusthequo 7y ago
My wife has severe anxiety flying. Having her dog is better than medicating. People whose emotional support animals are not chill are the issue. Chill dogs do not mean any breed or upbringing. It takes the right combination of proper genetics and upbringing to have a dog that fits the bill. And one with a strong bladder. We also are annoyed with those that abuse the system with obnoxious yelpers who themselves are scared or anxious. The human should not be the emotional support for the dog. And those people will ruin it for my wife and others like her. Also. I need to make another point. On no less than a dozen flights, we’ve enlisted our dog to deal with small children who are losing their mind. Dog is deployed, wailing stops, other passengers have literally cheered. Flight attendants are so delighted we drink for free on the flight. End of flight dog returns a hero. So, before we get the pitchforks our, consider how emotional support dogs serve a purpose. Those with bullshit ESANS can stay away.

55 points by prostoalex 7y ago

Misleading headline: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/emotional-support-peacock-not-anymore-says-new-federal-airline-rule-117256 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/emotional-support-pea... > There is no federal ban. If Delta wants to allow a therapeutic wombat on board, Uncle Sam will not get in the way. > If some airlines crack down, others can market themselves as pet-friendly. Rather than using the federal government to force airlines to allow these animals on board, we should trust airlines and passengers to find what works best through the marketplace.

avalys 7y ago
Exactly. The current bullshit situation is due to a federal regulation that requires airlines allow emotional support animals. This proposal would simply eliminate that requirement.
- zyang 7y ago
  I’m glad because people are abusing the system. I have a coworker that spent a lot of money getting her dog trained and certified so she could bring it into restaurants. All it does is tying up resources from people that actually need service dogs.
  - Jamwinner 7y ago
    I wish we could persucute those who abuse the system. Hving my compassion gamed for your furbaby makes me seethe.
useragent86 7y ago
"Democracy dies in darkness."
rezgi 7y ago
> Rather than using the federal government to force airlines to allow these animals on board, we should trust airlines and passengers to find what works best through the marketplace. Because we all know self-regulation works so well for the consumers.

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awillen 7y ago

Any change to this rule is welcome in my book. What really gets me is the people who fly with dogs that are obviously terrified. Putting an animal that isn't trained to handle airports and planes in that situation so you don't have to be separated from fluffy is just cruel. Put your dog in boarding (or find a pet sitter, etc.) when you go out of town. If you can't afford to do the right thing for your dog when you travel, then you can't afford to travel.

CivBase 7y ago

Relevant article from a few days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22122890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22122890

BubRoss 7y ago

Where did the emotional support animal term come from? That's what a pet is, an animal you keep for emotional support.

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Jamwinner 7y ago
Its acutally a good question. I understnd it as a mis-wording of 'service animal' in air-travel laws that a whole industry sprung up around to exploit.

foreigner 7y ago

This is a strangely one-sided article. Surely there are people who want the definition of service animals to include more than just dogs - where's the quote from them?

Jamwinner 7y ago
Other than miniture horses, only dogs can be service animals. The other pets are the problem being addressed.
ASalazarMX 7y ago
Should I bring my emotional support <cat | pony | donkey | vulture | fruit bat | rhinoceros> on my international flight?

unstatusthequo 7y ago

My wife has severe anxiety flying. Having her dog is better than medicating. People whose emotional support animals are not chill are the issue. Chill dogs do not mean any breed or upbringing. It takes the right combination of proper genetics and upbringing to have a dog that fits the bill. And one with a strong bladder. We also are annoyed with those that abuse the system with obnoxious yelpers who themselves are scared or anxious. The human should not be the emotional support for the dog. And those people will ruin it for my wife and others like her. Also. I need to make another point. On no less than a dozen flights, we’ve enlisted our dog to deal with small children who are losing their mind. Dog is deployed, wailing stops, other passengers have literally cheered. Flight attendants are so delighted we drink for free on the flight. End of flight dog returns a hero. So, before we get the pitchforks our, consider how emotional support dogs serve a purpose. Those with bullshit ESANS can stay away.