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> That's very reasonable logic, but in practice, that falls apart immediately, because the US has already spied on citizens of the UK[1], and there's absolutely
by badrabbit 7y ago
> That's very reasonable logic, but in practice, that falls apart immediately, because the US has already spied on citizens of the UK[1], and there's absolutely no reason to believe this program has ended. It's rather pointless to argue that the CCP is more likely to spy on UK citizens than the US, when we already know the US has spied on UK citizens.
Absolute b.s. propaganda right here. No, the US isn't anymore likely because unlikr Chinese APT groups, the NSA has no history of hacking anyone to steal corporate secrets. As for stealing state secrets, even if they succeed they are a geopolitical ally of the UK. If the NSA wants to stalk a UK citizen all they have to do is ask. Regardless of your b.s. comparison, we've seen the immense hostile influence China exerts as a result of the HK protests, their hostility is not isolated to that. There are countless Chinese APT groups that have already harmed the interests of UK citizens. If China wasn't powerful they'd be on the receiving end of a military invasion.
The rest of your comment is pure bait and switch propaganda. Chinese hostilities towards western countries is well documented,your comparison with the US is meaningless. As for human rights, you can't even begin to compare the US and the UK, but even if the US was just as inhumanely cruel as China, the fact remains that to the UK, China is as close as you come tona foreign enemy and the US is as close as you come to a foreign ally. Your comparison I suspect is part of an attempt to have UK readers distrust theit ally in favor of their clear and present enemy
- kerkeslager 7y agoYou accuse me of propaganda, but I referenced widely-available information to support my point. The support for your point is basically, "US friend, China enemy" to which all I can say is: which of our positions sounds more like propaganda? Do the actions of the US which I referenced, which are widely known and documented, look like the actions of a friend/ally? I think the real crux of our disagreement comes down to this: "If the NSA wants to stalk a UK citizen all they have to do is ask." You seem to view this as an acceptable outcome. I don't, because I'm not a nationalist: I'm on the side of the average people, no matter where those people are from, and I don't trust any government to spy on people. The Chinese government is bad, yes. But let's not pretend the US/UK governments are innocent, or that we have to take the side of the US/UK governments to be against China. I'm not on the side of any government: I'm on the side of the people.
- badrabbit 7y agoNo, you are hitting propaganda points again. It's not US friend,china enemy. It's US has less incentive a demonstrated (evidencial) desire to cause you harm than the CCP. Ask hong kongers or uyighurs the diffrence between Nazis and the CCP. And show me any othet people that can make the same comparisom for the US right now then show me how the threat the US poses to those people can also apply to the UK. You're literally a few years away from a possible WW3 and you think the nazis and americans are all just as bad and nazis are a bit cheaper so ee should trust them more. > The Chinese government is bad, yes. How about you leave it right there and stop? You don't like americans? Well the european ericcsson competes with huawei in this space with european factories!