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Google allows games that reward in real world value. They don't allow gambling. We were not suspended for violating the gambling terms because our app includes

Google allows games that reward in real world value. They don't allow gambling. We were not suspended for violating the gambling terms because our app includes no gambling at all and no games of skill. We give away money to all users and nobody earns more or less. Loyalty points convert to Bitcoin it's not complicated if it was would our rating be 4.5 we have not bought any users ever. Search rewards apps on Google there are hundreds of them. Those do not violate Google terms.

arghwhat 7y ago
You're avoiding the primary point, and the only point that Google complained about ("deception"). Suspicious. If you really wish to keep nitpicking on gambling, I'll introduce you to a snippet of the Google TOS which invalidates any argument you may have as to whether or not your app can be considered gambling: > "... including, but not limited to... " The list of scenarios is non-exclusive, and Google is free to add additional scenarios and interpretations to the list as they please. > Loyalty points convert to Bitcoin it's not complicated if it was would our rating be 4.5 we have not bought any users ever. Your rating does not interest me, although I am slightly amused that you're saying you bought your users. I, as an end-user reading your terms, find your payout scheme rather complicated: You only pay out above a certain threshold, only once a week, and only if you remember to register (despite probably mining regardless). A lot of areas that lead to no or missed payouts. > Search rewards apps on Google there are hundreds of them. Those do not violate Google terms. This is entirely irrelevant. Google's enforcement of a policy does not affect its validity.
- dangero 7y ago
  We did not buy any users that is a misinterpretation of my point that we have reviews on day 1 because we paid for advertising. Our app doesn't mine on their phone -- phone mining is not profitable at all.
  - arghwhat 7y ago
    Then where does the money come from? This is even more suspicious if it is not sharing revenue generated by the user, as it then sounds like an unsustainable marketing stunt.
    - foota 7y ago
      Ads? Fractions of a cent is not much, seems like the same order as the amount that could be earned through ad impressions.
floatingatoll 7y ago
Does every user receive 100% of the bitcoins mined using their device’s resources? If the answer is “no”, then you’re either running a Bitcoin lottery (which is gambling), a Bitcoin skimmer (which is stealing), and/or a Bitcoin pyramid scheme (which is fraudulent). From your reply, the answer is lottery/gambling, and from other replies, you did not clearly mark your app as a gambling app. That you’re gambling “points bought with watts” in no way contradicts that. If I misunderstand which of the three paths your app is taking, or if somehow you’re constructing a fourth path, please correct me in plain and specific language on how you acquire (through mining or currency conversion) the Bitcoin it distributes to end users, and how you are not a lottery system such that each user receives the full value of currency their device is responsible for creating. EDIT: As a footnote, your article is full of outrage but contains no technical details about your app, which is a common red flag for “we got caught doing something we’re unwilling to describe plainly”.
- dangero 7y ago
  We don't mine Bitcoin on users resources this is a witch hunt. I have nowhere mentioned mining and our app does not mine. Mining only works with huge ASIC farms mostly in China with cheap power. We are not involved in this at all. Our app has ads, like many apps do. That's the primary way we make money. We give users loyalty points for playing the game, they can cash those out for a very small amount of Bitcoin that is it.
  - knighthack 7y ago
    Is your "primary" way the only way you make money through the app, or is there a secondary mechanism for making money through it?
    - dangero 7y ago
      Right now the other source is Coinbase referrals -- they have a referral program for new users that we onboard. You can google it to see how it works.
  - floatingatoll 7y ago

arghwhat 7y ago

You're avoiding the primary point, and the only point that Google complained about ("deception"). Suspicious. If you really wish to keep nitpicking on gambling, I'll introduce you to a snippet of the Google TOS which invalidates any argument you may have as to whether or not your app can be considered gambling: > "... including, but not limited to... " The list of scenarios is non-exclusive, and Google is free to add additional scenarios and interpretations to the list as they please. > Loyalty points convert to Bitcoin it's not complicated if it was would our rating be 4.5 we have not bought any users ever. Your rating does not interest me, although I am slightly amused that you're saying you bought your users. I, as an end-user reading your terms, find your payout scheme rather complicated: You only pay out above a certain threshold, only once a week, and only if you remember to register (despite probably mining regardless). A lot of areas that lead to no or missed payouts. > Search rewards apps on Google there are hundreds of them. Those do not violate Google terms. This is entirely irrelevant. Google's enforcement of a policy does not affect its validity.

dangero 7y ago
We did not buy any users that is a misinterpretation of my point that we have reviews on day 1 because we paid for advertising. Our app doesn't mine on their phone -- phone mining is not profitable at all.
- arghwhat 7y ago
  Then where does the money come from? This is even more suspicious if it is not sharing revenue generated by the user, as it then sounds like an unsustainable marketing stunt.
  - foota 7y ago
    Ads? Fractions of a cent is not much, seems like the same order as the amount that could be earned through ad impressions.

floatingatoll 7y ago

Does every user receive 100% of the bitcoins mined using their device’s resources? If the answer is “no”, then you’re either running a Bitcoin lottery (which is gambling), a Bitcoin skimmer (which is stealing), and/or a Bitcoin pyramid scheme (which is fraudulent). From your reply, the answer is lottery/gambling, and from other replies, you did not clearly mark your app as a gambling app. That you’re gambling “points bought with watts” in no way contradicts that. If I misunderstand which of the three paths your app is taking, or if somehow you’re constructing a fourth path, please correct me in plain and specific language on how you acquire (through mining or currency conversion) the Bitcoin it distributes to end users, and how you are not a lottery system such that each user receives the full value of currency their device is responsible for creating. EDIT: As a footnote, your article is full of outrage but contains no technical details about your app, which is a common red flag for “we got caught doing something we’re unwilling to describe plainly”.

dangero 7y ago
We don't mine Bitcoin on users resources this is a witch hunt. I have nowhere mentioned mining and our app does not mine. Mining only works with huge ASIC farms mostly in China with cheap power. We are not involved in this at all. Our app has ads, like many apps do. That's the primary way we make money. We give users loyalty points for playing the game, they can cash those out for a very small amount of Bitcoin that is it.
- knighthack 7y ago
  Is your "primary" way the only way you make money through the app, or is there a secondary mechanism for making money through it?
  - dangero 7y ago
    Right now the other source is Coinbase referrals -- they have a referral program for new users that we onboard. You can google it to see how it works.
- floatingatoll 7y ago