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>At the last graduation ceremony at Maine State Prison, Brown delivered a speech in which he spoke of the potential for prisons to become hubs of education, bec

>At the last graduation ceremony at Maine State Prison, Brown delivered a speech in which he spoke of the potential for prisons to become hubs of education, because of the power of education to change lives. Brown is on to something here. Our current prison system could use a lot of improvement, current recidivism rates are out of control. https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=6266 https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=6266

vinniejames 7y ago
For profit prisons create incentives to boost recidivism
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- austincheney 7y ago
  For profit prisons are irrelevant when the entire system is pay to play with bail bonds, plea bargains, attorneys fees, and so forth.
  - kibwen 7y ago
    Even in the absence of those factors, the perverse incentives of our current system of for-profit prisons would indeed remain relevant.
    - austincheney 7y ago
      Do you have evidence of that? It’s like claiming that a person farting contributes to global warming. It’s not statistically relevant with consideration for other factors present, even in the face of perverse incentives.
- rayiner 7y ago
  Okay so what’s driving recidivism in the 92% of the former prison population that wasn’t housed in a for-profit prison? What’s driving recidivism in states like Illinois and New York where private prisons have long been banned? Or the 23 other states where, although private prisons aren’t banned per se, private prisons hold 0-1% of inmates?
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  - catalogia 7y ago
    I don't know if it's true, but I've heard that the guards at public prisons are unionized and that their union lobbies for much of the same that the private prison industry lobbies for. That they both have an incentive to create more prisoners. Do you think this is what's happening? What's your theory on it?
  - mrguyorama 7y ago
    What many people seem to miss in the "only 8% of prisons are private prisons" claim is that large amounts of services and functions are run by private contractors and companies even in "public" prisons. Just because the land and building are owned by the state doesn't mean some CEO is raking in the money off of pseudo-slave labor, extortion for basic things like phone calls, and profiteering.
sdegutis 7y ago
> And we dropped violence! Discipline! Commitment to the cross! And the world picked it up! And that’s why it’s unsafe in the streets! That’s why there’s no stopping the violence of this country! “We just have to buy more locks. Hire more police cars. Build more hospitals for the addicts.” Why? Because there’s no moral reason on the inside why they should stop! > Dostoevsky said there are two ages to man: the ascent of man through the death of God, and the death of God to the annihilation of man. When God is denied, everything is allowable. > So when we drop discipline, mortification in our own lives, the world begins to pick it up. And this is the price we’re paying for dropping it! https://sdegutis.github.io/transcriptions/FourthGreatCrisis.html https://sdegutis.github.io/transcriptions/FourthGreatCrisis....

vinniejames 7y ago

For profit prisons create incentives to boost recidivism

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austincheney 7y ago
For profit prisons are irrelevant when the entire system is pay to play with bail bonds, plea bargains, attorneys fees, and so forth.
- kibwen 7y ago
  Even in the absence of those factors, the perverse incentives of our current system of for-profit prisons would indeed remain relevant.
  - austincheney 7y ago
    Do you have evidence of that? It’s like claiming that a person farting contributes to global warming. It’s not statistically relevant with consideration for other factors present, even in the face of perverse incentives.
rayiner 7y ago
Okay so what’s driving recidivism in the 92% of the former prison population that wasn’t housed in a for-profit prison? What’s driving recidivism in states like Illinois and New York where private prisons have long been banned? Or the 23 other states where, although private prisons aren’t banned per se, private prisons hold 0-1% of inmates?
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- catalogia 7y ago
  I don't know if it's true, but I've heard that the guards at public prisons are unionized and that their union lobbies for much of the same that the private prison industry lobbies for. That they both have an incentive to create more prisoners. Do you think this is what's happening? What's your theory on it?
- mrguyorama 7y ago
  What many people seem to miss in the "only 8% of prisons are private prisons" claim is that large amounts of services and functions are run by private contractors and companies even in "public" prisons. Just because the land and building are owned by the state doesn't mean some CEO is raking in the money off of pseudo-slave labor, extortion for basic things like phone calls, and profiteering.

sdegutis 7y ago

> And we dropped violence! Discipline! Commitment to the cross! And the world picked it up! And that’s why it’s unsafe in the streets! That’s why there’s no stopping the violence of this country! “We just have to buy more locks. Hire more police cars. Build more hospitals for the addicts.” Why? Because there’s no moral reason on the inside why they should stop! > Dostoevsky said there are two ages to man: the ascent of man through the death of God, and the death of God to the annihilation of man. When God is denied, everything is allowable. > So when we drop discipline, mortification in our own lives, the world begins to pick it up. And this is the price we’re paying for dropping it! https://sdegutis.github.io/transcriptions/FourthGreatCrisis.html https://sdegutis.github.io/transcriptions/FourthGreatCrisis....