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Longer buying cycles on the phones would be quite beneficial. And Apple has quite a good track record on longevity compare to others, in notebooks for example.

Longer buying cycles on the phones would be quite beneficial. And Apple has quite a good track record on longevity compare to others, in notebooks for example. They also lead on recycling, and were among the first to reduce and eliminate a bunch of toxins from their processes, and to aggressively cut back on packaging. In perspective (to Elon Musk‘s products, for example) Airports are completely irrelevant, as long as they are not powered by enriched uranium: they are just too small.

bamboozled 7y ago
Yes but it sounds like their strategy is changing to having things which are disposable in the middle of these cycles to make extra revenue. That's the uncool part.
Polylactic_acid 7y ago
Apples Macbooks are the leading the way for creating mountains of needless waste. We had multiple sent back because of their horrible keyboards failing repeatedly. And unlike on other brands where you could pop off a key and remove the whole keyboard without any tools, Macbooks have the keyboard secured with about 90 rivets so unless you want to spend hours and hours plucking out rivets and then threading the holes, the entire bottom case becomes useless which has glued to it the trackpad, speakers and battery. How environmentally friendly! Recycling is a corporate greenwashing tactic to make it seem like you can buy endless product and do the planet a favor because someone in china burned off all the non metals and grabbed the remaining aluminum.
- aloer 7y ago
  Don’t you think Apple will recycle every MacBook top case that is sent back? Whether as refurbished or in material, either way it’s probably very efficient or they would lose so much more on all these free repairs
mempko 7y ago
What are you talking about? Apple has been caught making their products slower and unusable as they get older. They are designed not to last in every aspect.
- macintux 7y ago
  > Apple has been caught making their products slower and unusable as they get older. That's FUD. Apple was indeed "caught" doing that, in one very specific and generally customer-friendly sense. Apple throttled the phone CPU as the battery aged to avoid spikes that could cause the phone to die. When people complained about it, they introduced a toggle to allow that behavior to be disabled. Broadly speaking, Apple has had an excellent record relative to the rest of the industry. They provide day of release OS updates for years-old devices, they have shipped major new releases which have actually improved performance on older devices, and they will often block new features on older devices when those features are likely to cause severe performance degradation.
- rgallagher27 7y ago
  You mean clocking down the processor to reduce power draw from the batter, increasing the lifespan of the device...

bamboozled 7y ago

Yes but it sounds like their strategy is changing to having things which are disposable in the middle of these cycles to make extra revenue. That's the uncool part.

Polylactic_acid 7y ago

Apples Macbooks are the leading the way for creating mountains of needless waste. We had multiple sent back because of their horrible keyboards failing repeatedly. And unlike on other brands where you could pop off a key and remove the whole keyboard without any tools, Macbooks have the keyboard secured with about 90 rivets so unless you want to spend hours and hours plucking out rivets and then threading the holes, the entire bottom case becomes useless which has glued to it the trackpad, speakers and battery. How environmentally friendly! Recycling is a corporate greenwashing tactic to make it seem like you can buy endless product and do the planet a favor because someone in china burned off all the non metals and grabbed the remaining aluminum.

aloer 7y ago
Don’t you think Apple will recycle every MacBook top case that is sent back? Whether as refurbished or in material, either way it’s probably very efficient or they would lose so much more on all these free repairs

mempko 7y ago

What are you talking about? Apple has been caught making their products slower and unusable as they get older. They are designed not to last in every aspect.

macintux 7y ago
> Apple has been caught making their products slower and unusable as they get older. That's FUD. Apple was indeed "caught" doing that, in one very specific and generally customer-friendly sense. Apple throttled the phone CPU as the battery aged to avoid spikes that could cause the phone to die. When people complained about it, they introduced a toggle to allow that behavior to be disabled. Broadly speaking, Apple has had an excellent record relative to the rest of the industry. They provide day of release OS updates for years-old devices, they have shipped major new releases which have actually improved performance on older devices, and they will often block new features on older devices when those features are likely to cause severe performance degradation.
rgallagher27 7y ago
You mean clocking down the processor to reduce power draw from the batter, increasing the lifespan of the device...