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Wild, sustainably caught fish is the diet to go for if you care about the environment and your own health. I'm not going to give flak to vegans, their self-sacr

Wild, sustainably caught fish is the diet to go for if you care about the environment and your own health. I'm not going to give flak to vegans, their self-sacrifice is indicative of real care for their fellow beings.

unwaryquerier 7y ago
*for those who can afford it. Also, sourcing sustainability isn't an exact science in most first world countries.
ianai 7y ago
I really doubt wild fish can be sustainably caught. We shouldn’t be fishing them at all, I’d claim.
- newnewpdro 7y ago
  Small fry like common wild sardines found in cans are not a problem for sustainability. They're less toxic too, being so low on the food chain and having a short lifespan. Good source of omega-3s and other nutrients, since you eat the whole fish.
yesenadam 7y ago
>Wild, sustainably caught fish is the diet to go for if you care about the environment But not if you care about fish. I'm always gobsmacked hearing talk like this...from people that apparently have been taught to view animals as...just machines, tools for humans, as if they don't have a life of their own. Just atoms at the disposal of humans. "Stock." Somehow the limit of our "care" is killing them at a rate ("sustainably caught") that enables we can go on doing so. "Self-sacrifice"? Is it a self-sacrifice for you to not, say, own slaves or eat people? No. Those things seem wrong so you don't do them, or they doesn't even occur to you as options, although they used to be societal habits. Not eating animals seems like that to me.
- goldenkey 7y ago
  Everything dies. As long as it is ethical and not torture, I don't see an issue with fishing. Veganism lowers the brainpower output of a human enough to make the overall output works integral substantially impacted. That brainpower lost could be used to alleviate animal suffering like AI models substituting animal testing, etc etc. I personally am using my brain power to create Roylent. It'll solve our food crisis without any plant or animal deaths. Contact me if you are a VC/Angel interested in funding the revolution in eco/carbon friendly, suffering free food.
  - yesenadam 7y ago
    >Everything dies. As a step in an argument, this doesn't look promising. And..? >As long as it is ethical and not torture, I don't see an issue with fishing. Yes, sure, people have to decide for themselves where on the scale of life from bacteria/viruses to, uh, humans, they draw the ethical "eat/not eat" line. I couldn't parse/understand the two sentences after that, sorry. Good luck with your product... Oh, without plant deaths?! hehe. Sounds like you have something more complicated than a single dividing line.

unwaryquerier 7y ago

*for those who can afford it. Also, sourcing sustainability isn't an exact science in most first world countries.

ianai 7y ago

I really doubt wild fish can be sustainably caught. We shouldn’t be fishing them at all, I’d claim.

newnewpdro 7y ago
Small fry like common wild sardines found in cans are not a problem for sustainability. They're less toxic too, being so low on the food chain and having a short lifespan. Good source of omega-3s and other nutrients, since you eat the whole fish.

yesenadam 7y ago

>Wild, sustainably caught fish is the diet to go for if you care about the environment But not if you care about fish. I'm always gobsmacked hearing talk like this...from people that apparently have been taught to view animals as...just machines, tools for humans, as if they don't have a life of their own. Just atoms at the disposal of humans. "Stock." Somehow the limit of our "care" is killing them at a rate ("sustainably caught") that enables we can go on doing so. "Self-sacrifice"? Is it a self-sacrifice for you to not, say, own slaves or eat people? No. Those things seem wrong so you don't do them, or they doesn't even occur to you as options, although they used to be societal habits. Not eating animals seems like that to me.

goldenkey 7y ago
Everything dies. As long as it is ethical and not torture, I don't see an issue with fishing. Veganism lowers the brainpower output of a human enough to make the overall output works integral substantially impacted. That brainpower lost could be used to alleviate animal suffering like AI models substituting animal testing, etc etc. I personally am using my brain power to create Roylent. It'll solve our food crisis without any plant or animal deaths. Contact me if you are a VC/Angel interested in funding the revolution in eco/carbon friendly, suffering free food.
- yesenadam 7y ago
  >Everything dies. As a step in an argument, this doesn't look promising. And..? >As long as it is ethical and not torture, I don't see an issue with fishing. Yes, sure, people have to decide for themselves where on the scale of life from bacteria/viruses to, uh, humans, they draw the ethical "eat/not eat" line. I couldn't parse/understand the two sentences after that, sorry. Good luck with your product... Oh, without plant deaths?! hehe. Sounds like you have something more complicated than a single dividing line.