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> My music is in Spotify and Apple Music, my video is Netflix and Amazon Prime and Apple+ Does Spotify somehow integrate with Apple Music and Netflix with Appl

> My music is in Spotify and Apple Music, my video is Netflix and Amazon Prime and Apple+ Does Spotify somehow integrate with Apple Music and Netflix with Apple+? Because, if not, your counterargument is just "there's no walled garden because I'm outside it". Spotify, Netflix, Google, Kindle, etc work on both platforms. Apple stuff doesn't. That's the definition of "walled garden", that you can't use Android and still use any Apple stuff.

denkmoon 7y ago
FWIW Apple Music does work on android, reasonably well too. I switched to that when it became apparent that Google Play Music is a dead product, soon to be sent to the glue factory.
- haecceity 7y ago
  Why do people use Apple Music over Spotify?
  - denkmoon 7y ago
    I don't use spotify for a few reasons. Primarily being I can't add my own music to my library and stream it (you kinda can but it's sub-optimal), second being comfort and usability. You can't easily rearrange your play queue in spotify, while apple music and GPM make this quite easy (including "play next" and "play later" for adding to the front and back of the queue). I find radio stations much better on Apple Music and GPM, Spotify's radio stations/algorithm just don't do it for me.
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - rootusrootus 7y ago
    Spotify was a hassle when I tried to sign up for an account (I don't recall exactly, it's been a few months, but some sort of technical glitch), and I didn't have enough desire to chase it down just so I could give them my money. So I've stuck with Apple Music because I can't justify to myself or my wife (we have a family plan) how Spotify would be an improvement. I was willing to try it out because my Tesla has a built-in player for Spotify, but I've just been using the Tesla streaming instead (when not Apple Music) and I'm happy with it.
  - thewebcount 7y ago
    One reason I use Apple Music over Spotify is that Apple Music is entirely supported by paying customers rather than by ads. This aligns thier incentives more closely to mine.
  - jbc1 7y ago
    I was using it because it had voice command support and Spotify didn't. Was pretty important when 100% of my use was while driving. I think that's changed and Spotify has support now but I don't know how smooth that is.
  - tekknik 7y ago
    no ads plus much much more music, especially if you’re into subgenres of electronic music. i haven’t found a song yet that i haven’t found on apple music. they were one of the (if not the) original music store after all
- thewebcount 7y ago
  Do you know if Apple Music is available on Windows? I know iTunes has been on Windows for years, so I assume it supported Apple Music initially, just like on the Mac?
  - recordlabel 7y ago
    I believe iTunes for windows is still a thing and it supported apple music when I tried it last year. iTunes as a software is horrible though
  - denkmoon 7y ago
    They currently have a web player beta going, https://beta.music.apple.com/ https://beta.music.apple.com/, but personally I use https://vusic.site/ https://vusic.site/ because the apple beta is a little unstable and it suits my needs. iTunes for windows does support Apple Music, but iTunes is still a pig and best not installed on your PC.
thewebcount 7y ago
AppleTV+ is also available on the web and on Roku and Samsung TVs. So again, not a walled garden even when using their products.
- StavrosK 7y ago
  Oh okay, if it's on Samsung TVs that's pretty much FOSS levels of openness, I agree.
  - oneplane 7y ago
    Your reply here seems to try to twist the thread to a point where all uses of 'open' or 'non-walled' has to equate FOSS or EFF ideals, while you probably know that is neither feasible nor what is being discussed. It feels like you're intentionally acting obtuse at this point.
    - StavrosK 7y ago
      No, it was sarcastically reducing the argument to an absurdity. I'm not going to reply to you any more because it looks like you're just trying to troll.
      - tekknik 7y ago
        actually it looks like you’re the troll, and copping out to the “not gonna reply cause i’m obviously wrong and lack further supporting arguments” statement. apple is opening their walled garden up, both music and apple tv plus are available on other platforms now. for the majority this gives us confidence in buying into their platform, knowing we can take our content with us should we decide we no longer want their devices.
      - coldtea 7y ago
        >No, it was sarcastically reducing the argument to an absurdity. No, it was just a snark with no point. Reductio ad absurdum is a totally different mechanism. Besically you just shifted the goalposts from the original claim that you're locked to Apple's platforms if you use Apple TV music. to, [it might be available on other platforms] but it's not FOSS, haha when it was pointed to you that your original claim is false and Apple TV is available for platforms like Roku and Samsung. The rest, accusing the parent of trolling, is just rude. He provided a counter-argument with actual information (that Apple TV is also available in Samsung and Roku).
tekknik 7y ago
how about the $5k or so in media i have in googles ecosystem? their apps are literally garbage on ios and i had to resort to using youtube to watch content i paid for. even this didn’t work after some time as i have so much media even the youtube app started timing out when loading my purchases. there is no compatible format for ios, so you gotta use their garbage apps. it became such a huge problem that i bought everything that moviesanywhere didn’t already give me over again on itunes store just so i could have an actual file and, you know, actually watch the content i bought. google is substantially worse in their walled garden attempts
- coldtea 7y ago
  >how about the $5k or so in media i have in googles ecosystem? their apps are literally garbage on ios I've never seen any Google app being a problem on iOS, much less garbage. It just doesn't have the native look due to Material theming.
  - tekknik 7y ago
    read my post again, you clearly don’t have enough media to be a problem. on all devices both the google play app and youtube timeout or lock the device up due to the amount of media i have. garbage is an understatement considering how much i spent with them and that I can’t even view any of it anymore without watching on a full desktop / laptop
coldtea 7y ago
>Does Spotify somehow integrate with Apple Music and Netflix with Apple+? Because, if not, your counterargument is just "there's no walled garden because I'm outside it". No, my argument is "there's no walled garden because with subscriptions there are no walls to close you in". Apple Music is a subscription, you move to Spotify or Pandora or Youtube Music or whatever and that's that. You don't have the loss of your music or whatever locking you down to either OSX/iOS or even Apple Music alone as the parent said. That would be an argument back when music was DRM files you have bought and which would have stopped working outside Apple's ecosystem. Ditto of course for Netflix, Mail, etc. The closest you can get to the "walled garden" is iBooks -- Kindle wont display books you've bought there. But you can trivially just use Kindle app on macOS/iOS and problem solved. Apple's not forcing you to use iBooks.
- MagnumOpus 7y ago
  > You don't have the loss of your music or whatever You just lose playlist and ratings > you can trivially just use Kindle app on macOS/iOS Except Apple cripples features of the Kindle app (you cannot buy books through the app because if you did, Apple would demand a 30% cut that represents all of the Amazon profits) that are not crippled in Apple's own offering.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >You just lose playlist and ratings Yes, so peanuts (most people don't even use ratings according to some article I've read - it's for the OCD music nerds, not the millions who just listen to hits and might or might not add some playlists - of which they don't really obsess over). >Except Apple cripples features of the Kindle app (you cannot buy books through the app because if you did, Apple would demand a 30% cut that represents all of the Amazon profits) that are not crippled in Apple's own offering. That would be Amazon's crippling it, as it's their choice. They could pay that 30% cut. They themselves demand a 65% cut from authors and publishers at worst case, and 30% (same as Apple) at best. And again, both very ho-hum example of barriers to move platform. If stuff like "I'll lose my playlists" is what prevents someone from leaving Apple, then that's the most open walled garden ever...

denkmoon 7y ago

FWIW Apple Music does work on android, reasonably well too. I switched to that when it became apparent that Google Play Music is a dead product, soon to be sent to the glue factory.

haecceity 7y ago
Why do people use Apple Music over Spotify?
- denkmoon 7y ago
  I don't use spotify for a few reasons. Primarily being I can't add my own music to my library and stream it (you kinda can but it's sub-optimal), second being comfort and usability. You can't easily rearrange your play queue in spotify, while apple music and GPM make this quite easy (including "play next" and "play later" for adding to the front and back of the queue). I find radio stations much better on Apple Music and GPM, Spotify's radio stations/algorithm just don't do it for me.
- deleted 7y ago
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- rootusrootus 7y ago
  Spotify was a hassle when I tried to sign up for an account (I don't recall exactly, it's been a few months, but some sort of technical glitch), and I didn't have enough desire to chase it down just so I could give them my money. So I've stuck with Apple Music because I can't justify to myself or my wife (we have a family plan) how Spotify would be an improvement. I was willing to try it out because my Tesla has a built-in player for Spotify, but I've just been using the Tesla streaming instead (when not Apple Music) and I'm happy with it.
- thewebcount 7y ago
  One reason I use Apple Music over Spotify is that Apple Music is entirely supported by paying customers rather than by ads. This aligns thier incentives more closely to mine.
- jbc1 7y ago
  I was using it because it had voice command support and Spotify didn't. Was pretty important when 100% of my use was while driving. I think that's changed and Spotify has support now but I don't know how smooth that is.
- tekknik 7y ago
  no ads plus much much more music, especially if you’re into subgenres of electronic music. i haven’t found a song yet that i haven’t found on apple music. they were one of the (if not the) original music store after all
thewebcount 7y ago
Do you know if Apple Music is available on Windows? I know iTunes has been on Windows for years, so I assume it supported Apple Music initially, just like on the Mac?
- recordlabel 7y ago
  I believe iTunes for windows is still a thing and it supported apple music when I tried it last year. iTunes as a software is horrible though
- denkmoon 7y ago
  They currently have a web player beta going, https://beta.music.apple.com/ https://beta.music.apple.com/, but personally I use https://vusic.site/ https://vusic.site/ because the apple beta is a little unstable and it suits my needs. iTunes for windows does support Apple Music, but iTunes is still a pig and best not installed on your PC.

thewebcount 7y ago

AppleTV+ is also available on the web and on Roku and Samsung TVs. So again, not a walled garden even when using their products.

StavrosK 7y ago
Oh okay, if it's on Samsung TVs that's pretty much FOSS levels of openness, I agree.
- oneplane 7y ago
  Your reply here seems to try to twist the thread to a point where all uses of 'open' or 'non-walled' has to equate FOSS or EFF ideals, while you probably know that is neither feasible nor what is being discussed. It feels like you're intentionally acting obtuse at this point.
  - StavrosK 7y ago
    No, it was sarcastically reducing the argument to an absurdity. I'm not going to reply to you any more because it looks like you're just trying to troll.
    - tekknik 7y ago
      actually it looks like you’re the troll, and copping out to the “not gonna reply cause i’m obviously wrong and lack further supporting arguments” statement. apple is opening their walled garden up, both music and apple tv plus are available on other platforms now. for the majority this gives us confidence in buying into their platform, knowing we can take our content with us should we decide we no longer want their devices.
    - coldtea 7y ago
      >No, it was sarcastically reducing the argument to an absurdity. No, it was just a snark with no point. Reductio ad absurdum is a totally different mechanism. Besically you just shifted the goalposts from the original claim that you're locked to Apple's platforms if you use Apple TV music. to, [it might be available on other platforms] but it's not FOSS, haha when it was pointed to you that your original claim is false and Apple TV is available for platforms like Roku and Samsung. The rest, accusing the parent of trolling, is just rude. He provided a counter-argument with actual information (that Apple TV is also available in Samsung and Roku).

tekknik 7y ago

how about the $5k or so in media i have in googles ecosystem? their apps are literally garbage on ios and i had to resort to using youtube to watch content i paid for. even this didn’t work after some time as i have so much media even the youtube app started timing out when loading my purchases. there is no compatible format for ios, so you gotta use their garbage apps. it became such a huge problem that i bought everything that moviesanywhere didn’t already give me over again on itunes store just so i could have an actual file and, you know, actually watch the content i bought. google is substantially worse in their walled garden attempts

coldtea 7y ago
>how about the $5k or so in media i have in googles ecosystem? their apps are literally garbage on ios I've never seen any Google app being a problem on iOS, much less garbage. It just doesn't have the native look due to Material theming.
- tekknik 7y ago
  read my post again, you clearly don’t have enough media to be a problem. on all devices both the google play app and youtube timeout or lock the device up due to the amount of media i have. garbage is an understatement considering how much i spent with them and that I can’t even view any of it anymore without watching on a full desktop / laptop

coldtea 7y ago

>Does Spotify somehow integrate with Apple Music and Netflix with Apple+? Because, if not, your counterargument is just "there's no walled garden because I'm outside it". No, my argument is "there's no walled garden because with subscriptions there are no walls to close you in". Apple Music is a subscription, you move to Spotify or Pandora or Youtube Music or whatever and that's that. You don't have the loss of your music or whatever locking you down to either OSX/iOS or even Apple Music alone as the parent said. That would be an argument back when music was DRM files you have bought and which would have stopped working outside Apple's ecosystem. Ditto of course for Netflix, Mail, etc. The closest you can get to the "walled garden" is iBooks -- Kindle wont display books you've bought there. But you can trivially just use Kindle app on macOS/iOS and problem solved. Apple's not forcing you to use iBooks.

MagnumOpus 7y ago
> You don't have the loss of your music or whatever You just lose playlist and ratings > you can trivially just use Kindle app on macOS/iOS Except Apple cripples features of the Kindle app (you cannot buy books through the app because if you did, Apple would demand a 30% cut that represents all of the Amazon profits) that are not crippled in Apple's own offering.
- coldtea 7y ago
  >You just lose playlist and ratings Yes, so peanuts (most people don't even use ratings according to some article I've read - it's for the OCD music nerds, not the millions who just listen to hits and might or might not add some playlists - of which they don't really obsess over). >Except Apple cripples features of the Kindle app (you cannot buy books through the app because if you did, Apple would demand a 30% cut that represents all of the Amazon profits) that are not crippled in Apple's own offering. That would be Amazon's crippling it, as it's their choice. They could pay that 30% cut. They themselves demand a 65% cut from authors and publishers at worst case, and 30% (same as Apple) at best. And again, both very ho-hum example of barriers to move platform. If stuff like "I'll lose my playlists" is what prevents someone from leaving Apple, then that's the most open walled garden ever...