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Decent article, though a little thin on details. For example, alludes to but doesn't mention Polynesian wayfinding techniques, which are quite fascinating. Th
by SkyMarshal 7y ago
Decent article, though a little thin on details. For example, alludes to but doesn't mention Polynesian wayfinding techniques, which are quite fascinating. The Polynesians developed some really clever nautical wayfinding techniques without instruments, or with rudimentary, imprecise, non-machined ones, that enabled them to reliably traverse the islands of the South Pacific, even to remote ones like Tahiti. Lots of articles on "Polynesian wayfinding" across the web, and a great exhibition on it at the Bishop Museum in Honolulu in case you happen to be in the vicinity.
https://www.bishopmuseum.org/?s=wayfind https://www.bishopmuseum.org/?s=wayfind
Probably the best observation in the article, is the way theories can potentially become distorted the further away in time they are from their subject of study:
>GAZETTE: The book deals also with the flip side of that wondrousness, the Western skepticism that an “unsophisticated,” “primitive” people could manage this feat. What underlies Western skepticism? Was it also wonder at the distances involved? Or was it rooted in racism, in ignorance? Why not just take folks at their word when they say they did it?
THOMPSON: There was a lot of skepticism, and I think that was basically rooted in a sense of Western superiority and classic colonialism and that set of attitudes. But one of the things that I think is misunderstood is that this was not a uniform view. There are periods, at the end of the 18th century and in the 19th century, when Europeans who were interested in this subject were actually not that skeptical at all of Polynesian voyaging capacity.
Some of the 19th-century figures I write about took for granted — completely — that Polynesians had been the greatest navigators ever. They were convinced that they had sailed these distances and they had gone back and forth repeatedly.
What I saw that sort of surprised me, because it ran contrary to the conventional wisdom, was a rise in skepticism in the 20th century. My interpretation is that this is because we’re actually moving away from understanding the people. We’re moving away in time from real contact with the islanders and a real understanding of what they were doing.
The earlier theorists of the 19th century had many bad ideas, but they did believe in Polynesian voyaging. And they were quite close to the people. They spoke the languages. They often married into these cultures. They were intimate with them. And they lived in a period before there was so much lost knowledge. So that was an interesting aspect of the story that I didn’t foresee.
- dv_dt 7y agoThe Polynesian Voyaging Society has been using reconstructed navigation techniques to make trips across the pacific since the 1980s. Fascinating stuff! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynesian_Voyaging_Society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynesian_Voyaging_Society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mau_Piailug https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mau_Piailug http://www.hokulea.com http://www.hokulea.com Even longer ago (late 1940s), there were arguments if a polynesian style vessel could even make the trip, let alone navigate using traditional techniques. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kon-Tiki_expedition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kon-Tiki_expedition
- pat_trick 7y agoImportant to note that the initial voyage of the Hōkūleʻa in 1976 was specifically done to disprove the whole Kon-Tiki expedition.
- WalterBright 7y ago> Why not just take folks at their word when they say they did it? It is entirely reasonable to expect evidence of extraordinary claims before accepting them as genuine. > a rise in skepticism in the 20th century And a huge rise in scientific understanding and technological progress because of a willingness to expect evidence rather than taking things on faith.
- EdwardDiego 7y ago> It is entirely reasonable to expect evidence of extraordinary claims before accepting them as genuine. I would say that the Polynesian inhabitants of Aotearoa New Zealand, Ha'waii, and Rapa Nui/Easter Island are all the evidence one needs.
- WalterBright 7y agoThat is indeed evidence they got there by boat, although before DNA comparison it wasn't clear where they came from. (DNA sequencing has revolutionized determining where people came from and who various groups are related to.) It is not sufficient evidence of repeatable navigational skills. Setting out in a boat and luckily happening upon an island is very different from reliably navigating back and forth. There are modern examples of people in lifeboats drifting incredible distances in the Pacific, with zero navigation. People didn't accept that the Wrights had flown, either, until the evidence was indisputable. And rightly so, as it was an extraordinary accomplishment.