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Ahh... I so much wish that this was true. However, there is just too much money involved and consumers don't seem to care, at least the "silent majority". This

by baxtr 7y ago

Ahh... I so much wish that this was true. However, there is just too much money involved and consumers don't seem to care, at least the "silent majority". This won't end anytime soon

tjoff 7y ago
Until the industry realizes that the data was worthless all along.
- judge2020 7y ago
  Crashlytics/sentry is quite useful for tracking the impact a particular error has on your overall userbase. As for the other trackers, I haven't found statistics other than DAUs/MAUs useful (and these can almost always be tracked via server-side analytics).
  - derefr 7y ago
    The Hard Problem in analytics is getting data that lets you tell real users apart from bots, when bots are motivated to present themselves as real users. Usually can't be done purely server-side.
- bob1029 7y ago
  The time decay of data is something that is rarely discussed in my view. Facebook, Google, et. al. are sitting on mountains of archaeology. Why not purge it all and adapt to a new business model where you actually generate value for other market participants and, god forbid, maybe even the consumer.
bob1029 7y ago
I'm not so sure. I prefer to remain optimistic about this because it does seem positive progress is being made. No problem like this will be solved overnight, even with heavy-handed federal legislation made effective yesterday. Things like this do take time. New companies are being built right now that plan to base their entire identity on personal privacy and respect. Someone is building the next generation of competing products that offer privacy as a priority feature. I would cite Apple as a potential candidate in this pack with some caveats and unknowns... Trust is a tricky thing to establish and virtually impossible to regain. For me, it's not hard to initially gain my trust if the intent is clear. If I feel the vendor of my home security product is actually trying to use the best techniques, encryption schemes, etc. to protect me, I will be much more likely to trust the solution. If I see buzzwordy bullshit on the box or get a whiff of negative experience or intent from other users (whom I trust), you are immediately starting out with -10 to charisma. Good luck getting out of that hole.
- flukus 7y ago
  I'm not sure it counts as positive progress, it's a positive regression to what was normal 20 years ago and as such requires little to no problem solving. The bigger challenge is making people care, they don't understand how their private information gets weaponized against them, usually to manipulate them to spend more.
- tomc1985 7y ago
  There's an entire generation that's growing up with "why bother with privacy I've already lost it". They're comfortable living their lives out in the open and prefer convenience Just look at the popularity of streaming models, "I know Facebook listens to my conversations but what can I do?" type conversations, the prevalence of porn games on Steam (which broadcasts what you're currently playing to friends and anyone who looks at your profile), and the popularity of porn tube sites
  - chiefalchemist 7y ago
    Yes. Generational trends are like a pendulum. They swing. This year's "We don't care" is next year's "No way man." The safest route is respecting privacy. A reputation as a violator won't be easy to shake.
  - derefr 7y ago
    This is the same generation that coined the term "side-piece phone", no? I don't think they're living their lives in public; I think they're just getting better at compartmentalizing their identity. Kids don't care if Facebook sees everything they post on Facebook, because they would only use Facebook for the kinds of things everyone should see. Other stuff goes on Snapchat.
    - tomc1985 7y ago
      "Side-piece" as a concept has existed for a while. I don't think coining that term has any meaning; people have been compartmentalizing their dalliances since the dawn of time

by baxtr 7y ago

Ahh... I so much wish that this was true. However, there is just too much money involved and consumers don't seem to care, at least the "silent majority". This won't end anytime soon

tjoff 7y ago

Until the industry realizes that the data was worthless all along.

judge2020 7y ago
Crashlytics/sentry is quite useful for tracking the impact a particular error has on your overall userbase. As for the other trackers, I haven't found statistics other than DAUs/MAUs useful (and these can almost always be tracked via server-side analytics).
- derefr 7y ago
  The Hard Problem in analytics is getting data that lets you tell real users apart from bots, when bots are motivated to present themselves as real users. Usually can't be done purely server-side.
bob1029 7y ago
The time decay of data is something that is rarely discussed in my view. Facebook, Google, et. al. are sitting on mountains of archaeology. Why not purge it all and adapt to a new business model where you actually generate value for other market participants and, god forbid, maybe even the consumer.

bob1029 7y ago

I'm not so sure. I prefer to remain optimistic about this because it does seem positive progress is being made. No problem like this will be solved overnight, even with heavy-handed federal legislation made effective yesterday. Things like this do take time. New companies are being built right now that plan to base their entire identity on personal privacy and respect. Someone is building the next generation of competing products that offer privacy as a priority feature. I would cite Apple as a potential candidate in this pack with some caveats and unknowns... Trust is a tricky thing to establish and virtually impossible to regain. For me, it's not hard to initially gain my trust if the intent is clear. If I feel the vendor of my home security product is actually trying to use the best techniques, encryption schemes, etc. to protect me, I will be much more likely to trust the solution. If I see buzzwordy bullshit on the box or get a whiff of negative experience or intent from other users (whom I trust), you are immediately starting out with -10 to charisma. Good luck getting out of that hole.

flukus 7y ago
I'm not sure it counts as positive progress, it's a positive regression to what was normal 20 years ago and as such requires little to no problem solving. The bigger challenge is making people care, they don't understand how their private information gets weaponized against them, usually to manipulate them to spend more.
tomc1985 7y ago
There's an entire generation that's growing up with "why bother with privacy I've already lost it". They're comfortable living their lives out in the open and prefer convenience Just look at the popularity of streaming models, "I know Facebook listens to my conversations but what can I do?" type conversations, the prevalence of porn games on Steam (which broadcasts what you're currently playing to friends and anyone who looks at your profile), and the popularity of porn tube sites
- chiefalchemist 7y ago
  Yes. Generational trends are like a pendulum. They swing. This year's "We don't care" is next year's "No way man." The safest route is respecting privacy. A reputation as a violator won't be easy to shake.
- derefr 7y ago
  This is the same generation that coined the term "side-piece phone", no? I don't think they're living their lives in public; I think they're just getting better at compartmentalizing their identity. Kids don't care if Facebook sees everything they post on Facebook, because they would only use Facebook for the kinds of things everyone should see. Other stuff goes on Snapchat.
  - tomc1985 7y ago
    "Side-piece" as a concept has existed for a while. I don't think coining that term has any meaning; people have been compartmentalizing their dalliances since the dawn of time