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> The suicide rate for trans people is as high as it is almost ENTIRELY because of shame It's not clear to me how you can confidently state something like this
by leftyted 7y ago
> The suicide rate for trans people is as high as it is almost ENTIRELY because of shame
It's not clear to me how you can confidently state something like this. The difficulty of coping with gender dysphoria could just as easily explain the high suicide rate among trans people.
> LGBT people have had to form whole alternate communities because of shame. For many of us our relationship to shame forms large parts of our personality.
Like the article says, shame is amoral. It's a tool, a necessary one, and it's not helpful to label shame as "toxic and destructive".
> I agree if you're dealing with the idea of "all" shame, but in a lot of contexts is just as or even more harmful. Being punched is less harmful to a person than feeling like they're rejected by the whole of their community.
Punching someone is violent. Disapproving of someone's sexual orientation is not. The fact that the latter is likely more harmful than the former does not make it violent.
It's also quite easy to imagine an act that is very harmful but is neither violent nor wrong.
- taurath 7y ago> The difficulty of coping with gender dysphoria could just as easily explain the high suicide rate among trans people. While you're right that dysphoria over physical manifestations of the wrong gender can be traumatic, in my experience its usually the experience of social shame. > It's a tool, a necessary one, and it's not helpful to label shame as "toxic and destructive" I didn't. > The fact that the latter is likely more harmful than the former does not make it violent. There's the 2nd definition in the dictionary: "strength of emotion or an unpleasant or destructive natural force". Shame is a violent force.