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I'm baffled Thunderbird has to essentially be crowdfunded while Mozilla pays their execs millions and experiments with mostly useless things in Firefox. The onl

I'm baffled Thunderbird has to essentially be crowdfunded while Mozilla pays their execs millions and experiments with mostly useless things in Firefox. The only thing I remember worth anything was Container Tabs, and that's mostly abandoned with little tooling and no sync support.

x3ro 7y ago
They've rebuilt several core parts of their browser in recent years, as far as I know, now being in a place again where I'm glad again I'm using fx instead of chrome. I for one am glad they focus on their core product :)
- ScarZy 7y ago
  Absolutely, the release of Quantum too changed my view on FX completely.
- plopz 7y ago
  On the other hand they alienated their core user base with the extensions mess which is still lacking to this day.
mikepurvis 7y ago
Container tabs is the feature that brought me back to Firefox after a decade of Chrome.
- jedberg 7y ago
  Same here. Being able to use the AWS console in multiple accounts is a lifesaver, as is the privacy of my Google cookie not being sent to every site.
eugenekolo2 7y ago
Can you cite these millions paid to execs at Mozilla?
- 4ec0755f5522 7y ago
  It's (semi-)public info; same as it ever was: Moz is laying off employees and paying managers waaaay too much. https://twitter.com/christi3k/status/1217542576141524992 https://twitter.com/christi3k/status/1217542576141524992
  - war1025 7y ago
    Reading through that thread, the main thing that came to mind was the adage "Never meet your heroes."
- mbreedlove 7y ago
  Mitchell Baker was paid $2,294,667 in 2017. https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2017/mozilla-2017-form-990.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2017/mozilla-2017-fo.... See page 7. Mitchell Baker was paid $2,458,350 in 2018. https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-2018-form-990.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-2018-fo.... See page 7. Mozilla has not released their annual report for 2019, yet.
  - throw_m239339 7y ago
    To be fair it's not that much for a CEO of a SV corporation, however the fact that she went from $700,000 to more than $2,000,000 in the space of 5 years and her financial accomplishments don't reflet any of it is quite surprising. Almost like vultures who are skinning a company while they still can, emptying the bank account knowing that eventually they'll get fired for poor performance.
    - kortilla 7y ago
      > emptying the bank account knowing that eventually they'll get fired for poor performance. CEOs don’t set their own comp.
      - mintplant 7y ago
jeltz 7y ago
While Mozilla wastes a lot of money (for example on their high exec salaries), they also have done a lot to improve Firefox the last few years. It is much faster and more stable now.
- sascha_sl 7y ago
  Well, my point was that they spend a lot on things that aren't their core product (Pocket, Lockwise, Monitor, Send, Firefox OS) while being unwilling to fund their long time project with an actual audience.
  - lowflyer 7y ago
    Pocket was already an external product (readitlater?). Send solves a real problem people have, and it was probably easy to develop it separately. Similarly to Monitor, you don't have to touch the core product to make it. Lockwise was probably easy to make, if you already have Firefox Sync, it's just a viewer app.
    - jahlove 7y ago
      > Pocket was already an external product OP's point still stands though. Mozilla spent millions acquiring Pocket. They also made it so users can't disable it as a plugin like they used to be able to.
      - mintplant 7y ago
        Pocket played into an overarching internal strategy that I believe Mozilla has shifted away from since (but it's still useful for populating the default New Tab page). If you want to make an ex-Mozillian shudder, sneak up behind them and whisper "Context Graph" in their ear.
        dblohm7 7y ago
        You just made a current Mozillian shudder!

x3ro 7y ago

They've rebuilt several core parts of their browser in recent years, as far as I know, now being in a place again where I'm glad again I'm using fx instead of chrome. I for one am glad they focus on their core product :)

ScarZy 7y ago
Absolutely, the release of Quantum too changed my view on FX completely.
plopz 7y ago
On the other hand they alienated their core user base with the extensions mess which is still lacking to this day.

mikepurvis 7y ago

Container tabs is the feature that brought me back to Firefox after a decade of Chrome.

jedberg 7y ago
Same here. Being able to use the AWS console in multiple accounts is a lifesaver, as is the privacy of my Google cookie not being sent to every site.

eugenekolo2 7y ago

Can you cite these millions paid to execs at Mozilla?

4ec0755f5522 7y ago
It's (semi-)public info; same as it ever was: Moz is laying off employees and paying managers waaaay too much. https://twitter.com/christi3k/status/1217542576141524992 https://twitter.com/christi3k/status/1217542576141524992
- war1025 7y ago
  Reading through that thread, the main thing that came to mind was the adage "Never meet your heroes."
mbreedlove 7y ago
Mitchell Baker was paid $2,294,667 in 2017. https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2017/mozilla-2017-form-990.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2017/mozilla-2017-fo.... See page 7. Mitchell Baker was paid $2,458,350 in 2018. https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-2018-form-990.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-2018-fo.... See page 7. Mozilla has not released their annual report for 2019, yet.
- throw_m239339 7y ago
  To be fair it's not that much for a CEO of a SV corporation, however the fact that she went from $700,000 to more than $2,000,000 in the space of 5 years and her financial accomplishments don't reflet any of it is quite surprising. Almost like vultures who are skinning a company while they still can, emptying the bank account knowing that eventually they'll get fired for poor performance.
  - kortilla 7y ago
    > emptying the bank account knowing that eventually they'll get fired for poor performance. CEOs don’t set their own comp.
    - mintplant 7y ago

jeltz 7y ago

While Mozilla wastes a lot of money (for example on their high exec salaries), they also have done a lot to improve Firefox the last few years. It is much faster and more stable now.

sascha_sl 7y ago
Well, my point was that they spend a lot on things that aren't their core product (Pocket, Lockwise, Monitor, Send, Firefox OS) while being unwilling to fund their long time project with an actual audience.
- lowflyer 7y ago
  Pocket was already an external product (readitlater?). Send solves a real problem people have, and it was probably easy to develop it separately. Similarly to Monitor, you don't have to touch the core product to make it. Lockwise was probably easy to make, if you already have Firefox Sync, it's just a viewer app.
  - jahlove 7y ago
    > Pocket was already an external product OP's point still stands though. Mozilla spent millions acquiring Pocket. They also made it so users can't disable it as a plugin like they used to be able to.
    - mintplant 7y ago
      Pocket played into an overarching internal strategy that I believe Mozilla has shifted away from since (but it's still useful for populating the default New Tab page). If you want to make an ex-Mozillian shudder, sneak up behind them and whisper "Context Graph" in their ear.
      - dblohm7 7y ago
        You just made a current Mozillian shudder!