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I've seen "Sign in with Apple" exactly once since iOS 13 launched. I am kind of surprised it's not being rolled out more widely. The first app I've seen and use

by fetus8 7y ago

I've seen "Sign in with Apple" exactly once since iOS 13 launched. I am kind of surprised it's not being rolled out more widely. The first app I've seen and used it with was Byte (the Vine successor) over this past weekend.

jonlucc 7y ago
I'm not sure I'd notice if it rolled out to a lot of the apps I use, though. I mostly stay logged in for things that don't require login every use (lastpass, banks, etc).
judge2020 7y ago
Turns out it's only required if you already exclusively use FB/Google sign in (I thought it would also apply to your-app-auth+FB+G but I guess not) https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#sign-in-with-apple https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#sig...
- sixstringtheory 7y ago
  Huh, that was not my understanding, and your link goes on to state: > not required if...Your app exclusively uses your company’s own account setup and sign-in systems. So there’s no official guidance on the both/and case?
  - stefano 7y ago
    I interpret that as: - If you only have social logins, you must implement apple sign in. - If you only have your own login, you don't need to implement apple sign in. - If you have both apple sign and your own login, you must implement apple sign in.
    - sixstringtheory 7y ago
      I think you meant > If you have both social logins and your own login, you must implement apple sign in. which is my understanding as well! Would be nice if they explicitly handle this case as it's probably the majority.
    - judge2020 7y ago
      > - If you have both apple sign and your own login, you must implement apple sign in. I would think that too, but the text is odd by saying "exclusively" > Apps that exclusively use a third-party or social login service
  - deleted 7y ago
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- dep_b 7y ago
  That's not true. Any social sign-up except given exceptions will require SIWA.
  - duskwuff 7y ago
    Where "given exceptions" are mostly limited to obvious situations, like using Twitter signin for a Twitter client.
camillomiller 7y ago
The deadline to make it mandatory for apps and that use google and Facebook is still a few months away if I recall correctly
- DavideNL 7y ago
  Yes, that's what i read also... so hopefully in a few months all apps that have 3th party logins like Google and FB are required to add SiwA and we will see a spike in popularity too...
jandrese 7y ago
Is there any good reason to do the Sign In With <giant data aggregator>? I never take that option if there is anything else available. They don't need to see my signins on other sites, why should I just give it to them? For a few sites where it is utterly unavoidable I make one-off twitter accounts instead, because Twitter doesn't require your phone number to make an account and doesn't have a "only one account per person" policy I think.
- ilikehurdles 7y ago
  Sign in with Apple has the advantage that the service on the other side of the auth window doesn't get to see you actual email address. They're provided instead with an anonymized email address from Apple that serves as a forwarding address for you. It's also easy in general to revoke permissions with these SSO providers rather than dealing with whatever the service's account cancellation protocol is.
  - adamlett 7y ago
    What’s cool about that anonymized email address is that even if it gets leaked, only the registered service can use it to communicate with you.[1] [1] https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT210318 https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT210318
    - taeric 7y ago
      Does this just cement you too apple? I'm assuming if you lose your Apple address, you have lost all linked addresses?
      - derefr 7y ago
        In most sensible authentication flows, your email address is not the primary key on your account, but rather just a credential with a link to an account, where an account HAS MANY credentials. You can usually "Sign in with X" and then "link" your now-existing account to credentials from "Sign in with Y" and "Sign in with Z."
baddox 7y ago
I don't think I've ever seen it. I have, however, seen Apple Pay on the web a few times (and in apps many more times), and that has been a great experience.
- stanferder 7y ago
  I don't think I've seen it either. What I have seen are requests for my App Store password on occasion when I launch, say, Google Maps. It's infuriating because when I'm out in the world, I don't have access to my passwords and I don't remember them. It's a sign in to Apple, if not a sign in with Apple, and it's weird because what I'm trying to use is Google's Maps application without signing into anything. What is going on with all of this?
  - petercampanelli 7y ago
    I think that the point of using Sign In w/ Apple is to prevent you from having to remember more than one password. It is only used when you would have to create/remember a password anyway so it won’t get in your way when you are out an about any more than signing in with Google/Facebook or your own email/password.
- Marsymars 7y ago
  Apple Pay on web is fantastic. I don't use an iPhone, but specifically use my iPad for online purchases from any retailer that supports Apple Pay.

by fetus8 7y ago

jonlucc 7y ago

I'm not sure I'd notice if it rolled out to a lot of the apps I use, though. I mostly stay logged in for things that don't require login every use (lastpass, banks, etc).

judge2020 7y ago

Turns out it's only required if you already exclusively use FB/Google sign in (I thought it would also apply to your-app-auth+FB+G but I guess not) https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#sign-in-with-apple https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#sig...

sixstringtheory 7y ago
Huh, that was not my understanding, and your link goes on to state: > not required if...Your app exclusively uses your company’s own account setup and sign-in systems. So there’s no official guidance on the both/and case?
- stefano 7y ago
  I interpret that as: - If you only have social logins, you must implement apple sign in. - If you only have your own login, you don't need to implement apple sign in. - If you have both apple sign and your own login, you must implement apple sign in.
  - sixstringtheory 7y ago
    I think you meant > If you have both social logins and your own login, you must implement apple sign in. which is my understanding as well! Would be nice if they explicitly handle this case as it's probably the majority.
  - judge2020 7y ago
    > - If you have both apple sign and your own login, you must implement apple sign in. I would think that too, but the text is odd by saying "exclusively" > Apps that exclusively use a third-party or social login service
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
dep_b 7y ago
That's not true. Any social sign-up except given exceptions will require SIWA.
- duskwuff 7y ago
  Where "given exceptions" are mostly limited to obvious situations, like using Twitter signin for a Twitter client.

camillomiller 7y ago

The deadline to make it mandatory for apps and that use google and Facebook is still a few months away if I recall correctly

DavideNL 7y ago
Yes, that's what i read also... so hopefully in a few months all apps that have 3th party logins like Google and FB are required to add SiwA and we will see a spike in popularity too...

jandrese 7y ago

Is there any good reason to do the Sign In With <giant data aggregator>? I never take that option if there is anything else available. They don't need to see my signins on other sites, why should I just give it to them? For a few sites where it is utterly unavoidable I make one-off twitter accounts instead, because Twitter doesn't require your phone number to make an account and doesn't have a "only one account per person" policy I think.

ilikehurdles 7y ago
Sign in with Apple has the advantage that the service on the other side of the auth window doesn't get to see you actual email address. They're provided instead with an anonymized email address from Apple that serves as a forwarding address for you. It's also easy in general to revoke permissions with these SSO providers rather than dealing with whatever the service's account cancellation protocol is.
- adamlett 7y ago
  What’s cool about that anonymized email address is that even if it gets leaked, only the registered service can use it to communicate with you.[1] [1] https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT210318 https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT210318
  - taeric 7y ago
    Does this just cement you too apple? I'm assuming if you lose your Apple address, you have lost all linked addresses?
    - derefr 7y ago
      In most sensible authentication flows, your email address is not the primary key on your account, but rather just a credential with a link to an account, where an account HAS MANY credentials. You can usually "Sign in with X" and then "link" your now-existing account to credentials from "Sign in with Y" and "Sign in with Z."

baddox 7y ago

I don't think I've ever seen it. I have, however, seen Apple Pay on the web a few times (and in apps many more times), and that has been a great experience.

stanferder 7y ago
I don't think I've seen it either. What I have seen are requests for my App Store password on occasion when I launch, say, Google Maps. It's infuriating because when I'm out in the world, I don't have access to my passwords and I don't remember them. It's a sign in to Apple, if not a sign in with Apple, and it's weird because what I'm trying to use is Google's Maps application without signing into anything. What is going on with all of this?
- petercampanelli 7y ago
  I think that the point of using Sign In w/ Apple is to prevent you from having to remember more than one password. It is only used when you would have to create/remember a password anyway so it won’t get in your way when you are out an about any more than signing in with Google/Facebook or your own email/password.
Marsymars 7y ago
Apple Pay on web is fantastic. I don't use an iPhone, but specifically use my iPad for online purchases from any retailer that supports Apple Pay.