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> If you really want privacy, you should also return your cellphone and go back to using a flip phone. Or how about an iPhone with minimal or no 3rd party apps

by mojuba 7y ago

> If you really want privacy, you should also return your cellphone and go back to using a flip phone. Or how about an iPhone with minimal or no 3rd party apps? Which is practically impossible unfortunately because in order operate in the modern world you need at least a few 3rd party messenger apps, your bank's app and maybe a few more. Theoretically, however, I can have a phone free from social platforms and 3rd party analytics platforms like MixPanel or AppsFlyer, with regard to whom I have absolute zero trust.

JadeNB 7y ago
> Which is practically impossible unfortunately because in order operate in the modern world you need at least a few 3rd party messenger apps, your bank's app and maybe a few more. I think that this may be true for convenient operation, but not for operating period. I have none of these apps on my phone and, in fact, don't regularly use my phone for anything but receiving calls and listening to audiobooks. (Oh, and alarms, and probably some other stuff I'm forgetting; but not otherwise for interacting with the outside world.)
- mojuba 7y ago
  I've tried that. All things aside, in business if there's even one important person you deal with (your investor?) you will have to install at least one of the messengers they use. It's a question of the balance of power. And you'd likely end up having more than one VIP in your contact list anyway, unless you live a totally isolated life.
  - JadeNB 7y ago
    That's a good point—in academia, we're a lot more tolerant of technologically backwards folk like me.
bdcravens 7y ago
You don't think Apple gathers analytics?
- mojuba 7y ago
  It does, but letting one known company gather it is better than letting 10 obscure ones, and I mean especially the analytics platforms I mentioned that most apps use today. We don't know exactly how they use the data, who would end up acquiring these companies, etc.
ActorNightly 7y ago
I have a home lab set up, where i have a second router that is behind a older laptop with ip forwarding set up so I can inspect the WAN traffic that devices send out. If you ever take a brand new iPhone and connect it to wifi and inspect the traffic in this manner, you will see all the crap it sends to apple servers. On the other hand, I also have a custom rooted android phone, with no google apps and minimal 3d party apps (use the mobile browser for most stuff). If you inspect it in the same manner as above, the only requests it makes when it turns on is to the ntp time server, which I could probably kill with a firewall if I cared enough, making it 100% silent until I use an app. If you want privacy, you get it yourself.
- HighPlainsDrftr 7y ago
  Out of curiosity, what are you using for a custom ROM?
  - ActorNightly 7y ago
    One Plus One with Lineage OS and Nethunter.

by mojuba 7y ago

JadeNB 7y ago

> Which is practically impossible unfortunately because in order operate in the modern world you need at least a few 3rd party messenger apps, your bank's app and maybe a few more. I think that this may be true for convenient operation, but not for operating period. I have none of these apps on my phone and, in fact, don't regularly use my phone for anything but receiving calls and listening to audiobooks. (Oh, and alarms, and probably some other stuff I'm forgetting; but not otherwise for interacting with the outside world.)

mojuba 7y ago
I've tried that. All things aside, in business if there's even one important person you deal with (your investor?) you will have to install at least one of the messengers they use. It's a question of the balance of power. And you'd likely end up having more than one VIP in your contact list anyway, unless you live a totally isolated life.
- JadeNB 7y ago
  That's a good point—in academia, we're a lot more tolerant of technologically backwards folk like me.

bdcravens 7y ago

You don't think Apple gathers analytics?

mojuba 7y ago
It does, but letting one known company gather it is better than letting 10 obscure ones, and I mean especially the analytics platforms I mentioned that most apps use today. We don't know exactly how they use the data, who would end up acquiring these companies, etc.

ActorNightly 7y ago

I have a home lab set up, where i have a second router that is behind a older laptop with ip forwarding set up so I can inspect the WAN traffic that devices send out. If you ever take a brand new iPhone and connect it to wifi and inspect the traffic in this manner, you will see all the crap it sends to apple servers. On the other hand, I also have a custom rooted android phone, with no google apps and minimal 3d party apps (use the mobile browser for most stuff). If you inspect it in the same manner as above, the only requests it makes when it turns on is to the ntp time server, which I could probably kill with a firewall if I cared enough, making it 100% silent until I use an app. If you want privacy, you get it yourself.

HighPlainsDrftr 7y ago
Out of curiosity, what are you using for a custom ROM?
- ActorNightly 7y ago
  One Plus One with Lineage OS and Nethunter.