4 ms·

> and its deleted off of AWS after its viewed on the App How do you know this? And how are you sure that information isn't shared before being deleted? Also,

> and its deleted off of AWS after its viewed on the App How do you know this? And how are you sure that information isn't shared before being deleted? Also, it's not only about privacy (although I do think people should care a bit more about it than they do on average). Data stored and sold makes money that is dependent on you to produce, yet you get no compensation for it. Many people have a problem with that, including myself.

ActorNightly 7y ago
> How do you know this? And how are you sure that information isn't shared before being deleted? Ring states it on their website. https://shop.ring.com/pages/privacy https://shop.ring.com/pages/privacy I mean, nobody REALLY knows, but if that's the standard you are going to use, then you pretty much have to assume that any company can and will spy on you, and apply the same critique to them. Based on reports and news, Amazon has been perhaps the best out of the big companies when dealing with privacy, as they are fairly transparent on the data they collect for what use, and had not had any major cases of leaks despite them perhaps having the best data set of peoples behavior with shopping history which is the most relevant to advertisers. Being that Ring uses AWS for back end, as can be verified through network traffic inspection, I personally don't see any red flags with them saying they delete the data. >Data stored and sold makes money that is dependent on you to produce, yet you get no compensation for it. This is HORRIBLY wrong. Gmail, youtube, reddit and most everything that is free on the web and on mobile is your compensation for your data. Yes, companies make profit, but they still spend that advertising revenue on hosting and maintaining that service, and recouping the initial investment they put into building the thing.
- Rooster61 7y ago
  > I mean, nobody REALLY knows, but if that's the standard you are going to use, then you pretty much have to assume that any company can and will spy on you, and apply the same critique to them. That is the standard I use and I do apply the same critique to every company. > Gmail, youtube, reddit and most everything that is free on the web and on mobile is your compensation for your data. First off, I don't use all of those services. According to your logic, you and every other person who has data in their system and is not using a service is owed cold hard cash. Secondly, the value that I get out of using them is not commensurate with the profit they are making. These companies are making EXORBITANT amounts of money off of peoples data. It is in no way acceptable compensation. Third, I can't opt out of them using the data, even if I stop using a service or if I never used their service at all.
  - ActorNightly 7y ago
    >That is the standard I use and I do apply the same critique to every company. Then why are you on HN? They could be collecting your IP and data on you. >First off, I don't use all of those services. According to your logic, you and every other person who has data in their system and is not using a service is owed cold hard cash. The only data that exists for people that don't use services is 3p tracking data, which is from people visiting websites, that are supported by ads. So yes, if you view content on a website and a tracking cookie or pixel records you, that is you using the website, and the advertiser is paying the host for this which allows the host to continue hosing the website. > These companies are making EXORBITANT amounts of money off of peoples data Whoa, this is like almost a communism argument. Dictating how much money anyone should make is not a good road to go down on. There is nothing wrong with companies generating profit, they are capitalizing on supply versus demand.
- heavyset_go 7y ago
  > Based on reports and news, Amazon has been perhaps the best out of the big companies when dealing with privacy They pitch their Ring doorbells as a surveillance network to police departments, provide law enforcement with an easy to use interface and map of their camera network, and allow police to go after people who choose not to share their recordings without a warrant. With a warrant or subpeona, all police have to do is serve it to Amazon, and the company can hand over your recordings without ever letting you know.

ActorNightly 7y ago

> How do you know this? And how are you sure that information isn't shared before being deleted? Ring states it on their website. https://shop.ring.com/pages/privacy https://shop.ring.com/pages/privacy I mean, nobody REALLY knows, but if that's the standard you are going to use, then you pretty much have to assume that any company can and will spy on you, and apply the same critique to them. Based on reports and news, Amazon has been perhaps the best out of the big companies when dealing with privacy, as they are fairly transparent on the data they collect for what use, and had not had any major cases of leaks despite them perhaps having the best data set of peoples behavior with shopping history which is the most relevant to advertisers. Being that Ring uses AWS for back end, as can be verified through network traffic inspection, I personally don't see any red flags with them saying they delete the data. >Data stored and sold makes money that is dependent on you to produce, yet you get no compensation for it. This is HORRIBLY wrong. Gmail, youtube, reddit and most everything that is free on the web and on mobile is your compensation for your data. Yes, companies make profit, but they still spend that advertising revenue on hosting and maintaining that service, and recouping the initial investment they put into building the thing.

Rooster61 7y ago
> I mean, nobody REALLY knows, but if that's the standard you are going to use, then you pretty much have to assume that any company can and will spy on you, and apply the same critique to them. That is the standard I use and I do apply the same critique to every company. > Gmail, youtube, reddit and most everything that is free on the web and on mobile is your compensation for your data. First off, I don't use all of those services. According to your logic, you and every other person who has data in their system and is not using a service is owed cold hard cash. Secondly, the value that I get out of using them is not commensurate with the profit they are making. These companies are making EXORBITANT amounts of money off of peoples data. It is in no way acceptable compensation. Third, I can't opt out of them using the data, even if I stop using a service or if I never used their service at all.
- ActorNightly 7y ago
  >That is the standard I use and I do apply the same critique to every company. Then why are you on HN? They could be collecting your IP and data on you. >First off, I don't use all of those services. According to your logic, you and every other person who has data in their system and is not using a service is owed cold hard cash. The only data that exists for people that don't use services is 3p tracking data, which is from people visiting websites, that are supported by ads. So yes, if you view content on a website and a tracking cookie or pixel records you, that is you using the website, and the advertiser is paying the host for this which allows the host to continue hosing the website. > These companies are making EXORBITANT amounts of money off of peoples data Whoa, this is like almost a communism argument. Dictating how much money anyone should make is not a good road to go down on. There is nothing wrong with companies generating profit, they are capitalizing on supply versus demand.
heavyset_go 7y ago
> Based on reports and news, Amazon has been perhaps the best out of the big companies when dealing with privacy They pitch their Ring doorbells as a surveillance network to police departments, provide law enforcement with an easy to use interface and map of their camera network, and allow police to go after people who choose not to share their recordings without a warrant. With a warrant or subpeona, all police have to do is serve it to Amazon, and the company can hand over your recordings without ever letting you know.