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Probably so, but when someone steps in the direction you want them to go, its not effective to whack them for it. If you want them to continue down your path yo

Probably so, but when someone steps in the direction you want them to go, its not effective to whack them for it. If you want them to continue down your path you say "Well done! But, can you take just one more small step?" The hope is that these steps accumulate into something meaningful. A virtuous upward spiral.

martingoodson 7y ago
There is evidence that performing minor activities like tree planting actually reduces willingness to take meaningful action against climate change. This is called the 'low cost' hypothesis [1]. If you wanted to reduce public pressure against fossil fuels you would instigate something exactly like a tree planting program. [1] https://ideas.repec.org/a/eee/ecolec/v166y2019ic2.html https://ideas.repec.org/a/eee/ecolec/v166y2019ic2.html
- grawprog 7y ago
  Treeplanting itself is of mixed usefulness. I've done some treeplanting, sometimes it's done well, native species are used, trees are planted properly in appropriate spots, other times, no care in tree selection is used, and introduced/invasive or just unsuitable trees are planted, trees are planted inmproperly or in locations where they won't grow and a lot of money and time ends up wasted for no benefits.
- ars 7y ago
  > that performing minor activities Can I assume you are also opposed to straw and plastic bag bans? Unlike tree planting which at least does something, those bans are almost entirely worthless.
  - mikeyouse 7y ago
    Neither of those have anything to do with climate change.
    - Charlie_26 7y ago
      Plastic production requires oil
      - 8bitsrule 7y ago
        Plastic incineration creates CO2.
  - gamblor956 7y ago
    Bans on straws and plastic bags have a direct measurable impact on local marine wildlife and in the reduction of microplastics. Now that Asian countries are introducing bans, we should start seeing slowing microplastic accumulation. Within a decade microplastic accumulation should peak. By then we'll have more efficient means of addressing microplastic pollution. One point not often brought up is that microplastics in the ocean contribute to ocean temperature rise, since the plastics are able to retain (and thus radiate) more thermal energy. This one of the reasons the great garbage patches are hypoxic--warmer water holds less oxygen.
mhuffman 7y ago
> The hope is that these steps accumulate into something meaningful. A virtuous upward spiral. Or, if let's say the other side isn't working in good faith, they could then hold it up as "proof" they have done their part and ride that "effort" for another 30-40 years.

martingoodson 7y ago

There is evidence that performing minor activities like tree planting actually reduces willingness to take meaningful action against climate change. This is called the 'low cost' hypothesis [1]. If you wanted to reduce public pressure against fossil fuels you would instigate something exactly like a tree planting program. [1] https://ideas.repec.org/a/eee/ecolec/v166y2019ic2.html https://ideas.repec.org/a/eee/ecolec/v166y2019ic2.html

grawprog 7y ago
Treeplanting itself is of mixed usefulness. I've done some treeplanting, sometimes it's done well, native species are used, trees are planted properly in appropriate spots, other times, no care in tree selection is used, and introduced/invasive or just unsuitable trees are planted, trees are planted inmproperly or in locations where they won't grow and a lot of money and time ends up wasted for no benefits.
ars 7y ago
> that performing minor activities Can I assume you are also opposed to straw and plastic bag bans? Unlike tree planting which at least does something, those bans are almost entirely worthless.
- mikeyouse 7y ago
  Neither of those have anything to do with climate change.
  - Charlie_26 7y ago
    Plastic production requires oil
    - 8bitsrule 7y ago
      Plastic incineration creates CO2.
- gamblor956 7y ago
  Bans on straws and plastic bags have a direct measurable impact on local marine wildlife and in the reduction of microplastics. Now that Asian countries are introducing bans, we should start seeing slowing microplastic accumulation. Within a decade microplastic accumulation should peak. By then we'll have more efficient means of addressing microplastic pollution. One point not often brought up is that microplastics in the ocean contribute to ocean temperature rise, since the plastics are able to retain (and thus radiate) more thermal energy. This one of the reasons the great garbage patches are hypoxic--warmer water holds less oxygen.

mhuffman 7y ago

> The hope is that these steps accumulate into something meaningful. A virtuous upward spiral. Or, if let's say the other side isn't working in good faith, they could then hold it up as "proof" they have done their part and ride that "effort" for another 30-40 years.