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"If you look at the announcements for Microsoft products that compete with their own ecosystem, one thing you'll very rarely see is any acknowledgement of the O
by mikece 7y ago
"If you look at the announcements for Microsoft products that compete with their own ecosystem, one thing you'll very rarely see is any acknowledgement of the OSS projects they displace."
I can see why you would be upset but what obligation does Microsoft have to do that? One reason CIOs will go with Microsoft solutions lock-stock-and-barrel is that it's there's one account rep, one consolidated bill, one "throat to choke" if there's a support need. The alternative would be to deepen your partnership to the point that something like Octopus becomes a de facto Microsoft product (complete with bundled support when you go with .NET/Azure/etc). Either that or go out of your way to show why DevOps managers never get fired for choosing Octopus.
No, it's not "fair" but Microsoft isn't the only company doing this and it would be unfair to suggest they are doing this out of malice.
- wolco 7y agoMalice is a loaded term. When Amazon tells you they want to buy you, never sign and come out with a competing product months later we feel malice. But in this case we don't becauce Microsoft copied an existing product and open source it we say no malice exists. Big companies are copying smaller successful products on mass. It is not illegal, it's not out of malice. But its getting tiresome. How many products can facebook buy or copy and crush before we change the rules. Avoiding this was one of the pillars of copyright long ago. Now we have copyright for and copying trade secret powered development for big players.
- CrazyStat 7y agoHow would you suggest changing the rules?
- paulryanrogers 7y agoMaybe companies with an overwhelming share of a market/platform are restricted from expanding into adjacent verticals.
- CrazyStat 7y agoWould that help in this case? Microsoft doesn't have an overwhelming share of the cloud services market AFAIK. Defining "adjacent verticals" also seems super tricky and open to abuse.
- tomnipotent 7y agoBut it's ok when small companies or OSS projects copy big companies? Isn't that double standards? GitLab was a perfect example when its first release(s) blatantly ripped off the GitHub interface. Edit: Removing "amusing"
- aliswe 7y agoVery good point but the use of Amusing really put me off as it's very belittling, and is representative of how I think HN commenters generally behave
- tomnipotent 7y agoThank you, you're right. Edited out.
- aliswe 7y agoGood job! I'm taking downvotes for this!
- abdullahkhalids 7y agoIt is indeed okay. Phenomena that result in the market being more competitive are good, phenomena that result in the market being oligopolistic are bad.
- tomnipotent 7y agoI don't like this argument. Can I apply it to free speech then? It's either a level playing field, or it isn't.
- catalogia 7y agoAFAIK American defamation law is in fact laxer when the target of the defamation is a public figure.
- paulryanrogers 7y ago