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>On top they seem to heat a lot with electricity — something which you only would do in an emergency in the alps. How else would you propose heating a property

by lol768 7y ago

>On top they seem to heat a lot with electricity — something which you only would do in an emergency in the alps. How else would you propose heating a property in England in the winter?

iso947 7y ago
Gas, which in my experience is far more prevalent in the UK than electric heating.
- lol768 7y ago
  Not in new properties. I've not had gas heating in a property in the last four years or so. Natural gas is non-renewable, too.
  - iso947 7y ago
    Bought my new property in 2016, it’s GCH. Only comes on in deep winter, and that’s with a thermostat at 21C 24/7
- arethuza 7y ago
  I was surprised to see that gas heating is to be banned in new UK properties from 2025: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47559920 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47559920
frobozz 7y ago
Gas. In fact, I don't think I have ever lived in a home with electric heating as the main source. I have, however, lived in a shitty rented flat with a crap landlord and needed to buy a portable electric heater because the CH was rubbish and/or broken.
dangravell 7y ago
As the parent comment suggested, start with building houses properly. UK building standards are no where close to where they need to be. Then, the active heating input requirement is negligible.
KSteffensen 7y ago
In Denmark we largely heat our houses using waste heat from electricity generation. This will have to be migrated to large scale heat exchanges as fossil fuel power plants are phased out. I agree with GP regarding British housing standard. It's shockingly bad
Sharlin 7y ago
District heating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_heating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_heating
chimprich 7y ago
> How else would you propose heating a property in England in the winter? I would really recommend reading the book linked to in the grandparent post. Here's a direct link to the chapter on heating: http://www.withouthotair.com/c21/page_140.shtml http://www.withouthotair.com/c21/page_140.shtml
Angostura 7y ago
Here's the UK government's take on that https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/heat-in-buildings https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/heat-in-buildings "We want to lower the barriers to the take-up of low carbon heating and cooling. We also want to sustain a viable supply chain for heat pumps beyond the Renewable Heat Incentive (RHI), while not closing off options for longer term heat decarbonisation. There are a variety of technologies with potential to contribute to the transformation necessary to meet 2050 targets – including heat networks, heat pumps, hydrogen and biogas. It is not yet clear which combination of these will work best at scale and keep costs down. Different approaches need to be tested further as we develop a long-term plan that delivers the best solution for consumers."
TrickyRick 7y ago
Heat exchange, heat pumps, thermal energy. Plenty of options available. Take a trip around the Nordics and you'd have a hard time finding properties heated with direct electricity.

by lol768 7y ago

>On top they seem to heat a lot with electricity — something which you only would do in an emergency in the alps. How else would you propose heating a property in England in the winter?

iso947 7y ago

Gas, which in my experience is far more prevalent in the UK than electric heating.

lol768 7y ago
Not in new properties. I've not had gas heating in a property in the last four years or so. Natural gas is non-renewable, too.
- iso947 7y ago
  Bought my new property in 2016, it’s GCH. Only comes on in deep winter, and that’s with a thermostat at 21C 24/7
arethuza 7y ago
I was surprised to see that gas heating is to be banned in new UK properties from 2025: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47559920 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47559920

frobozz 7y ago

Gas. In fact, I don't think I have ever lived in a home with electric heating as the main source. I have, however, lived in a shitty rented flat with a crap landlord and needed to buy a portable electric heater because the CH was rubbish and/or broken.

dangravell 7y ago

As the parent comment suggested, start with building houses properly. UK building standards are no where close to where they need to be. Then, the active heating input requirement is negligible.

KSteffensen 7y ago

In Denmark we largely heat our houses using waste heat from electricity generation. This will have to be migrated to large scale heat exchanges as fossil fuel power plants are phased out. I agree with GP regarding British housing standard. It's shockingly bad

Sharlin 7y ago

District heating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_heating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_heating

chimprich 7y ago

> How else would you propose heating a property in England in the winter? I would really recommend reading the book linked to in the grandparent post. Here's a direct link to the chapter on heating: http://www.withouthotair.com/c21/page_140.shtml http://www.withouthotair.com/c21/page_140.shtml

Angostura 7y ago

Here's the UK government's take on that https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/heat-in-buildings https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/heat-in-buildings "We want to lower the barriers to the take-up of low carbon heating and cooling. We also want to sustain a viable supply chain for heat pumps beyond the Renewable Heat Incentive (RHI), while not closing off options for longer term heat decarbonisation. There are a variety of technologies with potential to contribute to the transformation necessary to meet 2050 targets – including heat networks, heat pumps, hydrogen and biogas. It is not yet clear which combination of these will work best at scale and keep costs down. Different approaches need to be tested further as we develop a long-term plan that delivers the best solution for consumers."

TrickyRick 7y ago

Heat exchange, heat pumps, thermal energy. Plenty of options available. Take a trip around the Nordics and you'd have a hard time finding properties heated with direct electricity.