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If that was true, no one would pay Apple its 30% oligopoly rent. It‘s also not necessarily safe if you consider my Wikipedia example. Apple devices are the perf

If that was true, no one would pay Apple its 30% oligopoly rent. It‘s also not necessarily safe if you consider my Wikipedia example. Apple devices are the perfect censorship vector. And finally it‘s a pointlessly circular argument if we‘re talking about whether or not gatekeeping on the Web is stronger than on iOS.

scarface74 7y ago
Despite all of the whining about the 30%, most money from the App Store is made from pay to win games with in app consumables. You’ll have to hold my beer while I wipe away my tears about all of the money that they have to pay Apple. Surprisingly enough, the whining only happens from geeks who probably don’t even have skin in the game. If developers are so interested in getting from under the 30% tax, where are all of the indy developers who are making money on Android outside of the Google Play store outside of China?
- fauigerzigerk 7y ago
  The point is that developers would never have started to pay such a large share of revenue to Apple or Google if Web apps were a complete replacement for native apps. Google doesn't make side-loading easy either. It comes with a ton of warnings, but some high profile apps and games have started using it anyway. I didn't mean to start another debate about the obviously dysfunctional market that is mobile app stores though. My point was about the loss of freedom and privacy that results from the side-loading ban.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    Like Fortnite? That didn’t work out too well for consumers. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/08/fortnites-android-vulnerability-leads-to-googleepic-games-spat/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/08/fortnites-android-vu...
    - fauigerzigerk 7y ago
      I'm not sure what we're talking about anymore to be honest. You are consistently avoiding the subject of this thread. Perhaps we can debate app store economics on some other occasion.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        Well, as far as the iPad, people complaining about the “wall garden” and the 30% cut doesn’t affect people who are actually buying the product or developers making billions from the App Store. Also, if either were keeping developers from innovating, you should see a lot of successful, popular apps outside of Google Play. The fact is, that 80% of phones out there can escape a walled garden and the 30% cut, but still anyone interested in getting visibility or making money chooses to be on Google Play. How many people whining about the 30% cut on HN actually have a successful product that would be more successful if it weren’t for Apple’s fee?
        fauigerzigerk 7y ago
        I heard your opinion and I strongly disagree with it, but I'm not going to be drawn into that debate right now.

scarface74 7y ago

Despite all of the whining about the 30%, most money from the App Store is made from pay to win games with in app consumables. You’ll have to hold my beer while I wipe away my tears about all of the money that they have to pay Apple. Surprisingly enough, the whining only happens from geeks who probably don’t even have skin in the game. If developers are so interested in getting from under the 30% tax, where are all of the indy developers who are making money on Android outside of the Google Play store outside of China?

fauigerzigerk 7y ago
The point is that developers would never have started to pay such a large share of revenue to Apple or Google if Web apps were a complete replacement for native apps. Google doesn't make side-loading easy either. It comes with a ton of warnings, but some high profile apps and games have started using it anyway. I didn't mean to start another debate about the obviously dysfunctional market that is mobile app stores though. My point was about the loss of freedom and privacy that results from the side-loading ban.
- scarface74 7y ago
  Like Fortnite? That didn’t work out too well for consumers. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/08/fortnites-android-vulnerability-leads-to-googleepic-games-spat/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/08/fortnites-android-vu...
  - fauigerzigerk 7y ago
    I'm not sure what we're talking about anymore to be honest. You are consistently avoiding the subject of this thread. Perhaps we can debate app store economics on some other occasion.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      Well, as far as the iPad, people complaining about the “wall garden” and the 30% cut doesn’t affect people who are actually buying the product or developers making billions from the App Store. Also, if either were keeping developers from innovating, you should see a lot of successful, popular apps outside of Google Play. The fact is, that 80% of phones out there can escape a walled garden and the 30% cut, but still anyone interested in getting visibility or making money chooses to be on Google Play. How many people whining about the 30% cut on HN actually have a successful product that would be more successful if it weren’t for Apple’s fee?
      - fauigerzigerk 7y ago
        I heard your opinion and I strongly disagree with it, but I'm not going to be drawn into that debate right now.