Saw only recently that Judea Pearl was a guest on Sam Harris' podcast: https://samharris.org/podcasts/164-cause-effect/ https://samharris.org/podcasts/164-cause

Saw only recently that Judea Pearl was a guest on Sam Harris' podcast: https://samharris.org/podcasts/164-cause-effect/ https://samharris.org/podcasts/164-cause-effect/. The preamble is depressing, since the episode aired right after a mass shooting, but Pearl gives a brief overview of his thinking.