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For me the irritating part is, I haven't encountered any other professions where the interviewee has to "prove" themselves with this kind of nonsense (isn't tha

For me the irritating part is, I haven't encountered any other professions where the interviewee has to "prove" themselves with this kind of nonsense (isn't that what the resume and references are for?), especially over and over again in the case of consultants and frequent job hoppers - it gets tiring and I avoid companies that try it now (unless it's a small trivial application/test). I can understand it to a small degree, given the nature of software development. I wonder how other professions would take it - "Excuse me Sandra, I know your resume says you're an electrician, but I'm going to need you to wire up this house so I can just check". I'm sure some other professions do do this, but none I've heard of.

mattr47 7y ago
Sure there are plenty of other professions. Pilots being the first one I can think of, as they require some type of checkride (flight exam) which will include an oral examination by the instructor/interviewer. And they don't get paid for taking that checkride. Professional musicians have to prove themselves in auditions, CPAs, auto mechanics (good ones at least), etc. The list goes on.
- cramey 7y ago
  Professions like pilots, doctors and CPAs are bad examples because they have a certifying body that exists outside of the relationship between employee and employer. It's true they're not getting paid for that certification, but once they have it, it's valid and transferable between jobs. Musicians and actors are better examples, as they do have auditions, but lots of actors and musicians get jobs based on their previous body of work, rather than an in-person audition. I'm curious, can you name more professions that use what is essentially auditions for hiring, besides artist-types?
Shaanie 7y ago
I assume you've never conducted interviews, am I correct? There are so many "developers" out there that simply can't code, regardless of what their CV or education says. 15 years experience with Java development as a senior developer but doesn't know integers have a limited size (never heard of BigInteger), knows a hash map is used for key-value but not what hash means nor what the point of an interface is? Sure, I've seen that candidate. There's just so many terrible developers that you pretty much have to do some extra filtering to weed these out.
- _throwawayyyyyy 7y ago
  A short technical screen to ask those things is reasonable. My post was originally about unpaid projects, although the discussion around interviewing in general has been interesting. I wouldn't expect to get paid for a 20 minute tech trivia screen.

mattr47 7y ago

Sure there are plenty of other professions. Pilots being the first one I can think of, as they require some type of checkride (flight exam) which will include an oral examination by the instructor/interviewer. And they don't get paid for taking that checkride. Professional musicians have to prove themselves in auditions, CPAs, auto mechanics (good ones at least), etc. The list goes on.

cramey 7y ago
Professions like pilots, doctors and CPAs are bad examples because they have a certifying body that exists outside of the relationship between employee and employer. It's true they're not getting paid for that certification, but once they have it, it's valid and transferable between jobs. Musicians and actors are better examples, as they do have auditions, but lots of actors and musicians get jobs based on their previous body of work, rather than an in-person audition. I'm curious, can you name more professions that use what is essentially auditions for hiring, besides artist-types?

Shaanie 7y ago

I assume you've never conducted interviews, am I correct? There are so many "developers" out there that simply can't code, regardless of what their CV or education says. 15 years experience with Java development as a senior developer but doesn't know integers have a limited size (never heard of BigInteger), knows a hash map is used for key-value but not what hash means nor what the point of an interface is? Sure, I've seen that candidate. There's just so many terrible developers that you pretty much have to do some extra filtering to weed these out.

_throwawayyyyyy 7y ago
A short technical screen to ask those things is reasonable. My post was originally about unpaid projects, although the discussion around interviewing in general has been interesting. I wouldn't expect to get paid for a 20 minute tech trivia screen.