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Scotland does not have an independent grid. There is an EU wide market to trade electric energy between countries. Some days they export elecric energy, other d

by est31 7y ago

Scotland does not have an independent grid. There is an EU wide market to trade electric energy between countries. Some days they export elecric energy, other days they import it. Even if 100% of their local production is renewable, the energy they import is probably (partly) not. So I guess the 'equivalent' means that summed up over the entire year, they export at least the same amount of energy that they import. You can check this site for the present state (it doesn't show scotland though): https://www.electricitymap.org/ https://www.electricitymap.org/

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Might change with Brexit (re independent grid).
- Rexxar 7y ago
  They have nothing to win to do this.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    I’m not arguing the rationality, only the possible outcome. Texas has its own grid (ERCOT) because Texas. Humans are quirky.
- duxup 7y ago
  Is that likely? Hard to imagine anyone wants to deal with that regardless of how they feel about Brexit. Plenty of independent nation's share grids.
- jussij 7y ago
  Since we are talking hypotheticals, if those pushing for Scottish independence get their way, sometime in the future Scotland may find itself out of the UK and back in the EU.
gruez 7y ago
>So I guess the 'equivalent' means that summed up over the entire year, they export at least the same amount of energy that they import. This bit is important, because it's possible to be "100% renewable", yet at the same time spew massive amounts of carbon. https://energy.stanford.edu/news/100-renewables-doesn-t-equal-zero-carbon-energy-and-difference-growing https://energy.stanford.edu/news/100-renewables-doesn-t-equa...
- uncle_j 7y ago
  The SNP were saying that Scotland could go independent on their Oil price not long ago. The SNP will say anything essentially to virtue signal against Westminster. This appears to be another case of that, Holyrood making a lot of noise when they run at a deficit while pretending they want to leave the UK.
  - thawaway1837 7y ago
    Scotland is hosting a climate summit, and chooses to market a climate achievement. Yet you think this is all about virtue signalling to Westminster. Your comment says a lot more about how England still sees itself at the centre of the world than about the (very real) glass of Holyrood and the SNP.
    - uncle_j 7y ago
      > Scotland is hosting a climate summit, and chooses to market a climate achievement. If it wasn't "in vogue" they the SNP wouldn't be doing it. As I previously said (which you have ignored) that the SNP were previously saying they could fund Scotland on Oil (it couldn't but that is another matter). > Yet you think this is all about virtue signalling to Westminster. Yes. > Your comment says a lot more about how England still sees itself at the centre of the world than about the (very real) glass of Holyrood and the SNP. That is quite presumptive, I have lived abroad for a number of years before returning to England. I understand the world is a large place. I speak to a lot of people I know that come from Scotland and quite a few that are English that have moved there recently, So I do actually speak to people there. The SNP are generally awful e.g. just look at Ian Blackwood embarrassing himself in Westminster or on the BBC which he has plenty of time for but he can't be bothered to turn up to his own constituency hustings (You can find this easily on Youtube). They constantly blame everything on Westminster (because it suits them to do so) and if the Wind blows the other way they will claim it is grounds for another Independence Referendum even though they agreed to it being a once in a lifetime vote back in 2014. They also lie to their voters about rejoining the EU after we Leave if they go independent. Spain will veto any vote (because it will give legitimacy to the Catalan independence movement) and the EU only allows in countries with deficit of 2-3% (IIRC) and people estimate that the deficit for Scotland is between 7-10% (IIRC).

by est31 7y ago

toomuchtodo 7y ago

Might change with Brexit (re independent grid).

Rexxar 7y ago
They have nothing to win to do this.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  I’m not arguing the rationality, only the possible outcome. Texas has its own grid (ERCOT) because Texas. Humans are quirky.
duxup 7y ago
Is that likely? Hard to imagine anyone wants to deal with that regardless of how they feel about Brexit. Plenty of independent nation's share grids.
jussij 7y ago
Since we are talking hypotheticals, if those pushing for Scottish independence get their way, sometime in the future Scotland may find itself out of the UK and back in the EU.

gruez 7y ago

>So I guess the 'equivalent' means that summed up over the entire year, they export at least the same amount of energy that they import. This bit is important, because it's possible to be "100% renewable", yet at the same time spew massive amounts of carbon. https://energy.stanford.edu/news/100-renewables-doesn-t-equal-zero-carbon-energy-and-difference-growing https://energy.stanford.edu/news/100-renewables-doesn-t-equa...

uncle_j 7y ago
The SNP were saying that Scotland could go independent on their Oil price not long ago. The SNP will say anything essentially to virtue signal against Westminster. This appears to be another case of that, Holyrood making a lot of noise when they run at a deficit while pretending they want to leave the UK.
- thawaway1837 7y ago
  Scotland is hosting a climate summit, and chooses to market a climate achievement. Yet you think this is all about virtue signalling to Westminster. Your comment says a lot more about how England still sees itself at the centre of the world than about the (very real) glass of Holyrood and the SNP.
  - uncle_j 7y ago
    > Scotland is hosting a climate summit, and chooses to market a climate achievement. If it wasn't "in vogue" they the SNP wouldn't be doing it. As I previously said (which you have ignored) that the SNP were previously saying they could fund Scotland on Oil (it couldn't but that is another matter). > Yet you think this is all about virtue signalling to Westminster. Yes. > Your comment says a lot more about how England still sees itself at the centre of the world than about the (very real) glass of Holyrood and the SNP. That is quite presumptive, I have lived abroad for a number of years before returning to England. I understand the world is a large place. I speak to a lot of people I know that come from Scotland and quite a few that are English that have moved there recently, So I do actually speak to people there. The SNP are generally awful e.g. just look at Ian Blackwood embarrassing himself in Westminster or on the BBC which he has plenty of time for but he can't be bothered to turn up to his own constituency hustings (You can find this easily on Youtube). They constantly blame everything on Westminster (because it suits them to do so) and if the Wind blows the other way they will claim it is grounds for another Independence Referendum even though they agreed to it being a once in a lifetime vote back in 2014. They also lie to their voters about rejoining the EU after we Leave if they go independent. Spain will veto any vote (because it will give legitimacy to the Catalan independence movement) and the EU only allows in countries with deficit of 2-3% (IIRC) and people estimate that the deficit for Scotland is between 7-10% (IIRC).