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Picardy Third
- toomuchlove 7y agoPretty shifty counterpoint in that example =)
- baddox 7y agoThis video has some good examples from popular music: https://youtu.be/jGaNdKabvQ4 https://youtu.be/jGaNdKabvQ4
- polygotdomain 7y agoThis is a very good channel if you're looking for explanation of topics within music theory with examples from popular music. I've found David's videos explaining key changes, time signature shifts, and modes very helpful.
- sandov 7y ago+1 to David's channel. You don't even need to know theory to enjoy his videos. My music knowledge is limited to building major and minor triads (maybe adding a seventh here and there) and I still enjoy his videos.
- tomconnors 7y agoA Picardy third can be heard at the end of Avengers Infinity War as Thanos watches the sun rise on a grateful universe.
- jessriedel 7y agoTangent: Why does Wikipedia use a sound plug-in that doesn't tell you how long the sound clip is, nor allow you to drag a slider to move through the sound clip? This sort of decrepit UI (and the community's willingness to deal with it in perpetuity) gives open-source software a bad name. And just look at the hideous stuff that pops up when you click "menu". It's an embarrassment.
- baddox 7y agoThere's really no such thing as "the community's willingness to deal with it." You're dealing with it, because you're not fixing it. I'm dealing with it, because I'm not fixing it. And that is true of every other individual, until one individual fixes it.
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- jessriedel 7y agoI do think there is such a thing as "the community's willingness to deal with it", and that rather than my statement being meaningless/confused, your objection is really a normative claim about who should be able to complain. But if it helps you understand, you can reinterpret my comment as: (1) All the effort people put into collecting copyright-free sound files is drastically undermined by the lack of nice plug-ins; and (2) The Wikimedia foundation, which collects huge amounts of money from unsophisticated donors, is negligent in spending that money on ridiculous projects that help only a small number of particular types of nerds while leaving things like this that could actually help the typical donor broken. In other words, when I donate money to the Wikimedia foundation and they don't fix easy stuff like this, I am justified in complaining.
- svnpenn 7y agoNo, you certainly are not. You're donating money, not employing them. They get to choose what to do with the money, not you. If you don't like it, stop donating. Or better yet, write a patch, or email them suggestion for a better player. I agree with your original point, but you lost me with this second post.
- jessriedel 7y agoNon-profits absolutely have duties to their donors when they accept money. They don't get to spend it on whatever they want. And those duties are especially strong when they take money for a technical job from non-technically-sophisticated donors. Finally, those duties are even stronger when the non-profit is the steward of a non-replaceable community commons; there is no way to donate to a Wikimedia Foundation competitor to improve Wikipedia. > If you don't like it, stop donating Think about what you're saying. People can't complain unless they donate, but if they don't like what's happening they should not donate. That sort of reasoning is how you get non-accountable dysfunctional non-profits. > Or better yet, write a patch, or email them suggestion for a better player. I can't write a patch. It's not in my abilities. Write them an email? That isn't a serious suggestion, because you know it would accomplish nothing. That's not where these conversations take place.
- stanferder 7y agoIt's like the opposite of a "millennial whoop", major-izing a minor chord instead of emphasizing the minor interval in a major chord, only more drastic because of the key change.
- logicallee 7y agoFor anyone else wondering, this is the "millennial whoop": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN23lFKfpck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN23lFKfpck (the first 3-5 seconds let you know right away)
- stanferder 7y agoI just realized you can do a Picardy third with a millennial whoop over it!
- loco5niner 7y agoYikes. Not sure how much of that video is nearly-naked woman, but the split-second I had it up at work didn't make me a fan. perhaps a NSFW tag?
- js2 7y agoIt’s only the first second of Katy Perry at the start of the video. This link should skip over that bit: https://youtu.be/MN23lFKfpck?t=4 https://youtu.be/MN23lFKfpck?t=4
- loco5niner 7y agoThx for the update. I only had it up for a split-second and shut it right down.
- logicallee 7y agoIt's just common pop music videos, as far as I could see. It doesn't strike me as particularly NSFW, any more than any other music video. It's not soft core porn or something. I found it by searching for millennial whoop, and thought I'd save anyone else a search.
- organsnyder 7y agoMy wife and I are both musicians. Playing a Picardy third is a quick way for me to get asked to sleep on the couch (only exaggerating slightly). I love using a Picardy third when accompanying sung music and the text demands/suggests it. An open fifth is also a good tool for emphasizing certain texts. Just like other strong effects (deceptive cadences, modulations...) it's best effective when used sparingly.
- rectang 7y agoNext time you're feeling mischievous, try an "anti-Picardy third": end a major key piece (e.g. Pachelbel's Canon, US National Anthem, Silent Night, Happy Birthday...) with a minor chord.
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- senderista 7y agoWhen I was a kid I enjoyed annoying my parents by transposing random major-key songs into minor. I used to love doing this to "Joy to the World," among others, only to find later that the H.P. Lovecraft Historical Society had the same idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptP0OR-e7rI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptP0OR-e7rI.
- gammarator 7y agoMy favorite version of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is in a major key: https://youtu.be/dVehv_LDWaE https://youtu.be/dVehv_LDWaE
- burmer 7y agoSchubert’s ErlKoenig in major is amazing!
- Jeff_Brown 7y agoThere's a genre just starting where people electronically modify old recordings to change key. John Denver's Country Roads actually makes more sense in a minor key, to me at least: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoVtHLxNVlU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoVtHLxNVlU
- microtherion 7y agoIn contemporary music, I'm very fond of a somewhat similar device that Krzysztof Penderecki used at the ending of "Stabat Mater": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f403XsOAFXE&feature=youtu.be&t=480 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f403XsOAFXE&feature=youtu.be...
- jlarcombe 7y agoI sometimes help my children with their piano practice when they're learning hands separately by doing the other hand, and I find it almost impossible to resist adding a Picardy third at the poignant ending of any piece in a minor key... much to their amusement/annoyance.
- bonzini 7y agoI remember my teacher doing the opposite when we were singing too slow or soft; he would randomly start accompanying in minor or just switch to minor in the last bar.
- hunter2_ 7y agoI always did react to the Picardy third with a bit of an eye roll, as one does to dad jokes, so you're onto something there.
- jlarcombe 7y agoThe other favourite, of which I never seem to tire, is a quick "shave and a haircut, two bits" over the dying notes...
- senderista 7y agoI always enjoy the rare moments when Bach doesn't use a Picardy third. Only a few of the minor-key pieces in the Well-Tempered Clavier, for instance, end with a minor chord. Personally, I wish Bach had mostly avoided it except in a religious context (I think it sounds best with a choir or an organ).
- toomuchlove 7y agoThe Wikipedia article claims that in Book II a decent number of the minor-key pieces end with a minor triad, a departure from only a small minority of them ending that way in Book I.
- jancsika 7y agoDon't raise that third. Hold it there in the final chord and let it ring. As you do, say this: "He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector." Now shift the chord down by thirds (tonally) to play a lushly spaced, unexpected major triad. Then say this: "A Dark Knight." And finally, play the chord again loudly.
- federalemployee 7y agoTIL no one knows why it is called a Picardy Third.
- Jeff_Brown 7y agoIt reminds me of the deus ex machina from theater[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina
- minism 7y agoTwo of my closest friends (who are much better musicians than me) and I get together occasionally to jam. It's become a running inside joke at this point that invariably someone will end the jam with a Picardy third. It's so saccharine and absurd sounding. I love it.